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Big house = classless

91 replies

KeepYaHeadUp · 21/08/2022 11:16

I don't know if we've just been unlucky, but I've found in the last few places I've lived (mix of streets and relatively new estates) it's always the people in the bigger, more expensive homes who seem to have f*ck all class and show no consideration for neighbours?

Case in point - on one side I have a row of affordable housing - smaller terrace houses with gardens. On the other larger plots - 3x the price. Both inhabited by families. All the racket comes from these bigger houses. Dogs left barking all day. Loud music. Screaming kids. The constant crack-crack-crack of a fly zapper on the new pergola. Obnoxious new Porsche being revved next door.

AIBU to think money doesn't buy you class and often indicates extreme levels of entitlement?

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KeepYaHeadUp · 21/08/2022 15:42

MiauzenKatzenjammer · 21/08/2022 15:38

'Classless' is not the opposite of 'classy'.

My mistake then. What is the opposite?

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Kanaloa · 21/08/2022 15:44

KeepYaHeadUp · 21/08/2022 15:41

I'm not whipping it into a class issue. I'm not bringing class (per se) into it. I'm talking about being classless. If the word upsets you then replace it with "inconsiderate", "selfish".... etc.

I can’t replace classless with inconsiderate or selfish because they’re two utterly different words with completely different meanings.

Classless means not tied to any particular class or not divided into class. You’re trying to imply these neighbours are lower or working class, or the opposite of ‘classy.’ Which isn’t what that word means. Then on top of that you’re conflating working class with inconsiderate/selfish, which is insulting and whipping up a class issue.

BigChesterDraws · 21/08/2022 15:44

In what fantasy land would a Porsche owner live in a house on the same street as affordable housing? Nothing against affordable housing, by the way. But your average Porsche driver is going to consider him/herself too good to be around ”poor people”. The only reason to buy a Porsche is for the image you wish to portray to others. The speed limit is still 70 mph regardless of how powerful your car is and you’ll still sit in the same traffic as the Toyota driver.

KeepYaHeadUp · 21/08/2022 15:44

mathanxiety · 21/08/2022 15:39

How can a car be obnoxious?

I think you need to take a chill pill and focus less on the idea that nice houses and expensive cars are rewards for being well behaved.

Being able to afford a nice big house hasn't made you happy, and it doesnt entitle you to the sort of neighbours you seem to believe it does. You see others around you who have also been able to afford big houses who don't seem to deserve them. Your big house won't make you happy until you stop believing deep down that only the deserving get nice things. Mortgage lenders don't care that people like house music.

😅 They deserve their houses as much as I do. I haven't done anything to earn a nicer house than anyone else despite happening to work in a profession which pays me fairly.

This was more of an irritated rant than a genuine attack on people who live in nice houses. It's obviously an isolated issue that I've been unlucky to experience repeatedly. Or maybe I'm just particularly sensitive to it.

I do find it fascinating that this has got so many people's hackles up though!

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KeepYaHeadUp · 21/08/2022 15:45

mathanxiety · 21/08/2022 15:39

How can a car be obnoxious?

I think you need to take a chill pill and focus less on the idea that nice houses and expensive cars are rewards for being well behaved.

Being able to afford a nice big house hasn't made you happy, and it doesnt entitle you to the sort of neighbours you seem to believe it does. You see others around you who have also been able to afford big houses who don't seem to deserve them. Your big house won't make you happy until you stop believing deep down that only the deserving get nice things. Mortgage lenders don't care that people like house music.

The sound of a car can be obnoxious

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99redballoonsgobyy · 21/08/2022 15:45

perhaps they are chavvy drug dealers and that's how they can afford these big houses. I know of one like that near me. live in a huge 5 bed house, top of the range cars, kids toys all over there front garden they were loud and noisy. The husband is now in prison as it turns out all there money to buy the huge house came from big time drug dealing.

KeepYaHeadUp · 21/08/2022 15:47

BigChesterDraws · 21/08/2022 15:44

In what fantasy land would a Porsche owner live in a house on the same street as affordable housing? Nothing against affordable housing, by the way. But your average Porsche driver is going to consider him/herself too good to be around ”poor people”. The only reason to buy a Porsche is for the image you wish to portray to others. The speed limit is still 70 mph regardless of how powerful your car is and you’ll still sit in the same traffic as the Toyota driver.

In many, many, many streets/estates given lots of developers choose to build affordable housing on site rather than paying a sum to offset it! I'm surprised you've led such a sheltered life that you can't possibly imagine housing association, etc housing anywhere near detached houses

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KeepYaHeadUp · 21/08/2022 15:49

99redballoonsgobyy · 21/08/2022 15:45

perhaps they are chavvy drug dealers and that's how they can afford these big houses. I know of one like that near me. live in a huge 5 bed house, top of the range cars, kids toys all over there front garden they were loud and noisy. The husband is now in prison as it turns out all there money to buy the huge house came from big time drug dealing.

One of them definitely screams drug dealer. One is an ophthalmologist. One is a planning consultant. One does some sort of IT consulting. I don't think they can all be drug dealers

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goshy · 21/08/2022 15:50

In what fantasy land would a Porsche owner live in a house on the same street as affordable housing?

Have you never been to London?

Triffid1 · 21/08/2022 15:56

Your experience is diametrically opposite to mine. Around here, it is very clearly people with less money who are the most annoying and inconsiderate. But for me, that's just a co-incidence because I've also lived places where the people in the "big houses" were the ones who were obnoxious, entitled twats. It's completely random.

Thestoppedfan · 21/08/2022 15:59

I’ve lived on a few new build estates and whilst the expensive houses occasionally have an odd dickhead neighbour unfortunately it’s the affordable living ones we have had the most problems with. The owners would rent them out and the tenants just didn’t care (letting their kids play on scooters up and down peoples drives scratching cars/ loud parties until early hours/ blatant drug deals).

CareeringLi · 21/08/2022 16:00

YANBU OP. People in large houses are selfish, inconsiderate arseholes, and people in small houses are the fucking salt of the earth.

I literally don't know why anyone would attempt to argue otherwise.

I would only add that small people in very small houses are usually shitting amazing. I once met a very, very small person in a garden shed. I assumed immediately that they must be a saint.

KeepYaHeadUp · 21/08/2022 16:04

CareeringLi · 21/08/2022 16:00

YANBU OP. People in large houses are selfish, inconsiderate arseholes, and people in small houses are the fucking salt of the earth.

I literally don't know why anyone would attempt to argue otherwise.

I would only add that small people in very small houses are usually shitting amazing. I once met a very, very small person in a garden shed. I assumed immediately that they must be a saint.

🥱

I clearly haven't been that ridiculous about it. As I've said, lots of our neighbours are lovely - in both big, medium and small houses, and lots are arseholes in big, medium and small houses. Just the vast, vast majority of inconsiderate twats are in the big houses. They're completely entitled. One has 5 dogs living in her garden who start barking at 8.30 every night and she does literally nothing to stop them. Weird!

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HairyToity · 21/08/2022 16:07

It did amuse me that my friend who has the neighbours from hell, lives in a naice area, and these neighbours have good jobs.

I'd previously assumed neighbours from hell would live on benefits street. 👩

HairyToity · 21/08/2022 16:09

Clearly I was wrong to make such an assumption, perhaps neighbours from hell are in all the social economic groups.

HannahSternDefoe · 21/08/2022 16:12

Really...?Hmm
My house is fairly big, but I don't play any music or have a car on credit, screeching dogs or children, fake tan/nails/brows/hair etc.

Envy isn't a nice trait.

Kanaloa · 21/08/2022 16:15

HairyToity · 21/08/2022 16:09

Clearly I was wrong to make such an assumption, perhaps neighbours from hell are in all the social economic groups.

Yes, perhaps even the wealthy can be bad people. Who would have thought? Perhaps (just maybe) those who wear fake tan and nails aren’t the scum of the earth but just people.

DejaVoodoo · 21/08/2022 16:15

I live in a big house.

And I'm bloody lovely.

IrisVersicolor · 21/08/2022 16:17

I am not wealthy but I live in an area with £2-10 million houses. (London so that’s not unusual). The bigger the house, the bigger the arseholes. Also the louder and more expensive the sound systems and parties.

Grumpusaurus · 21/08/2022 16:22

What an utterly stupid post! Don't be jealous ignorant cow!

HotDogKetchup · 21/08/2022 16:29

Whilst I agree money doesn’t buy class, generally those who can afford to don’t live in/nearby social housing.

Xenia · 21/08/2022 16:31

I am on a private estate. Most people are very quiet (as lots are over 70, 80 and some even over 90!!!). However sometimes younger ones are noisy - lastn ight people were in a garden a street away drinking and at 10pm singing happy birthday. It did stop within an hour of that but it is always that one house that is responsible.

EmeraldShamrock1 · 21/08/2022 16:33

Judging people and making it about class is classless IMO.

He1lo · 21/08/2022 16:34

We have the biggest house on our estate and are quietest family in the street.

We live here as in our area the character properties we’d prefer are £200,000 more for one less bedroom and we can’t afford it. As their usually cheaper I’ve found new build estate tend to be chavtastic. On ours it’s the ones with the least money who are the most obsessed with material things and trying to demonstrate their ‘wealth’. I don’t think they understand they are failing miserably and instead are emphasising how insecure they are.

Lovemusic33 · 21/08/2022 16:35

The truth is….anyone can be a twat whatever their class is.

I live on a road of 3 bed houses (small houses), some HA, most people are quite but several are not, I would say they are all similar class, just some are twats and others are not.

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