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7 out of ten children in poverty

188 replies

Gilead · 20/08/2022 09:45

Come from families where at least on parent is employed. 40% of UC claimants are working families BUT Sunak blames those on Welfare for inflation and he wants to cut benefits by at least £1000 per annum.
AIBU to think that the Tories are trying to create a two tier state?

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AntlerRose · 21/08/2022 13:15

ShelfyMcShelfface · 21/08/2022 12:28

The families I work with can’t get appropriate childcare and they are also physically exhausted they need full support it’s heartbreaking.

Why not, don't the poorest get subsidised childcare so they can work?

If a child has disabilities (which is often why a family is poor as its hard to hold down employment) there isnt actually much childcare available. So you have situations where a family is awarded funding respite but none exists or social services agree to fund a PA but you advertise for years and no one applies
Very few special schools have
before or afterschool clubs. Lots of what is availabe is run by charities and is for respite not work. So you bid for slots each holiday and may be lucky to get 4 random days across the whole 6 weeks or one afterschool slot a week.

I actually only have 12 hours a week my 13 year old is not at home as there is a shortage of SEN school places too.

Gilead · 21/08/2022 13:18

Benefits went up by 3% this year. There is absolutely no guarantee that the amount will fall in line with inflation next year.

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ShelfyMcShelfface · 21/08/2022 13:21

@Blossomtoes

It's still a bigger pay rise than most of those in employment are getting. Public sector workers have been offered 2-3% on average. Hence why their TUs are balloting for strikes.

jcyclops · 21/08/2022 13:22

Gilead · 21/08/2022 01:23

@jcyclops it’s odd it was definitely about this morning. Check on me, I’ve been around these parts for a good many years and don’t usually balls things up. Always apologise when I do. Also freely admit to being a Labour Party member.

Thank you - That's fine. I was attacking your statement because it was untrue, and not because I may or may not disagree with your favoured political narrative. I hate it when facts are bent or simply works of fiction.

Sunak's statements during the event included:
"I strongly believe that part of the answer to this problem is being much tougher on our welfare system. If there are hours to do, and if there’s a job going, people should have to take the job as opposed to just being able to stay on benefits. That’s the change I want to bring… and it’s good for the economy because it’ll ease inflation."

People may or may not agree with him, but for people such as Peter Stefanovic to say these statements mean "Rishi Sunak blames people on benefits for high inflation" is a massive over exaggeration. He is actually saying that people on benefits could be part of the solution to high inflation if more of them were to work, or if those already working were to work longer. If Sunak had said "Recently, we are having to deal with several wildfires, and getting firefighters quickly to these fires is essential to bringing the situation under control" it doesn't mean that he is blaming firefighters for the wildfires.

5128gap · 21/08/2022 14:01

ShelfyMcShelfface · 21/08/2022 13:21

@Blossomtoes

It's still a bigger pay rise than most of those in employment are getting. Public sector workers have been offered 2-3% on average. Hence why their TUs are balloting for strikes.

Its a bigger percentage, but a much smaller amount of money, and until we are charged for our essential expenditure as a percentage of our income, the amount of money concerned is the only thing that is meaningful.

Endlesssummer2022 · 21/08/2022 14:53

What do you expect? Sunak loves and admires California where the gap between the rich and poor is so extraordinary it has to be seen to be believed.

Tech bros in multimillion dollar mansions in the same state as Skid Row. Silicon Valley surrounded by crackheads in tent cities. The rich just drive by the ‘losers’ and pay them no attention.

I will bet a lot of money Sunak’s billionaire FIL also drives buy beggars in India without a second thought also.

The fact Sunak keeps repeating the story that his parents came here with ‘nothing’, worked really hard and became millionaires also tells me he doesn’t register the fact they were upper caste and educated with contacts and experience in running business.

He probably believes people are poor because they don’t work as hard as him or his parents and therefore it’s their fault so why should they get any state support.

Liz Truss also believes people are poor because they are lazy. Yet as long as these two wrap themselves in a flag and shout ‘woke’, the same people these slights are aimed at will still enthusiastically vote for Tories even if it means eventually there is no state support and their kids end up as meth heads in tent cities or bankrupted so can’t afford healthcare, clinging to God, hoping their neighbours will sew quilts and do bake sales to help pay for cancer treatment like in America.

ClementineAugustus · 21/08/2022 14:59

ShelfyMcShelfface · 21/08/2022 12:28

The families I work with can’t get appropriate childcare and they are also physically exhausted they need full support it’s heartbreaking.

Why not, don't the poorest get subsidised childcare so they can work?

When children have SEN it can be incredibly hard to get appropriate childcare. Even if it’s possible these are parents who are up most of the night so even with suitable childcare they wouldn’t be in any position to get up and go to work they need that time to rest

GreenLunchBox · 21/08/2022 15:01

ShelfyMcShelfface · 21/08/2022 13:21

@Blossomtoes

It's still a bigger pay rise than most of those in employment are getting. Public sector workers have been offered 2-3% on average. Hence why their TUs are balloting for strikes.

It's not a race to the bottom

GreenLunchBox · 21/08/2022 15:05

Endlesssummer2022 · 21/08/2022 14:53

What do you expect? Sunak loves and admires California where the gap between the rich and poor is so extraordinary it has to be seen to be believed.

Tech bros in multimillion dollar mansions in the same state as Skid Row. Silicon Valley surrounded by crackheads in tent cities. The rich just drive by the ‘losers’ and pay them no attention.

I will bet a lot of money Sunak’s billionaire FIL also drives buy beggars in India without a second thought also.

The fact Sunak keeps repeating the story that his parents came here with ‘nothing’, worked really hard and became millionaires also tells me he doesn’t register the fact they were upper caste and educated with contacts and experience in running business.

He probably believes people are poor because they don’t work as hard as him or his parents and therefore it’s their fault so why should they get any state support.

Liz Truss also believes people are poor because they are lazy. Yet as long as these two wrap themselves in a flag and shout ‘woke’, the same people these slights are aimed at will still enthusiastically vote for Tories even if it means eventually there is no state support and their kids end up as meth heads in tent cities or bankrupted so can’t afford healthcare, clinging to God, hoping their neighbours will sew quilts and do bake sales to help pay for cancer treatment like in America.

Absolutely this.
He trots out that tiresome story time after time about how hard everyone worked for him to get where he is today and how grateful he is. Ignoring the fact it's having money and contacts that allowed him to get to where he is. Fuck off, Rishi.

ShelfyMcShelfface · 21/08/2022 15:57

It's not a race to the bottom

No one said it was but it is incorrect to say that benefits haven't gone up and won't go up again in April 🤷‍♀️

Blossomtoes · 21/08/2022 16:19

Did anyone say that?

Rosesandstars · 21/08/2022 16:30

Yeah, most Tories do not interact with people who are living in poverty, haven't lived in poverty and benefit from other peoples' poverty.

Also they can always rely on poor people turning on each other (e.g. trying to work out who truly deserves measly benefits or trying to blame others for not working hard enough) rather than turning on the super wealthy tax evaders!

EngTech · 21/08/2022 16:34

Come the GE, you and like minded people, will have an opportunity to vote for a party which will sort these kind of problems or promise to sort them out 😳😳

Use you vote wisely 👍👍👍

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