To think Brexit has robbed us of so much?

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A friend of mine from America recently obtained citizenship of an EU country due to family links. She's now ready to look for a job and open to anything as she doesn't have a degree but worked in the family agricultural business back home. She's fluent in English.

A few years ago I would have been able to invite her to stay with me here in the UK, help her get established and set her up to apply for one of the many jobs over here. But now I can't do any of that.

The ridiculous part is I know local businesses that are really struggling to recruit, can't find people locally and have struggled with the lack of EU workers since Brexit. Particularly in hospitality, agriculture and travel.

Why did we close the door to people who filled these vacancies and contributed to society and paid taxes?

She would have been a decent tax payer, nice member of the community but she's not allowed in.

She's probably going to Ireland now as apparently there's lots more opportunities there since we became an isolated island.

I will never forgive the Conservatives for this shambles. Don't get me started on the fact that a British passport is now worthless and we've lost our right to live in 27 countries. Madness.

@LyingWitchInTheWardrobe and @Dutch1e I'm glad you didn't think I was sneering. Like many here I am rather bemused and greatly saddened and dismayed.

And, I must confess, very angry about it all.

At last - a Brexit positive. The UK to import more workers from India and the Philippines

www.cityam.com/uk-government-to-launch-overseas-hiring-spree-to-fill-care-sector-vacancies

Now we're talking ! Obviously there will need to be waivers so people can also bring their families and dependants over.

I hope that guy on bbc who was intervied about brexit and said he voted leave so we wouldn't get more Indians coming in is having an aneurysm now😂

If he does, he'll be in the good care of a nurse from India.

Obviously India won't want to lose their brightest and best ... if I were the Indian government I'd look on this as a golden opportunity to encourage their undesirables to emigrate. Sort of a reverse brain drain.

And even if that wasn't the case, I'd plant the seed in the minds of Brexiteers (like what I've done here) because it's fun.

And even if that wasn't the case, I'd plant the seed in the minds of Brexiteers (like what I've done here) because it's fun.

😂

Ahahaa oh yes, we were being told that several million Turkish were going to move here, weren't we? I wonder how the racists will feel about 1.5 billion Indians. 🤣🤣

Because apparently when granted any kind of access, the entire population of any other country will up sticks and move to the glorious UK.

Yep , I mentioned this a few days ago - instead of having Polish and Czech workers here we will get a large influx of phillipinos and Indians and before anyone calls me racist - can you explain to me why that's of more benefit than the Polish and Czechs?? At least with the EU it worked both ways and there were advantages to Brits who wanted to make use of them. How many of us want to retire or work in India or the Phillipines?? In fact they are far more likely to come for the long term and bring family members looking at past immigration.

Try travelling with an EU one

Why would you be more likely to retire to Poland than than India?

Quite a few people with Indian heritage specifically said this was why they wanted Brexit. They'll be over the moon.

No much mention (yet) of Pakistan. However what India gets, Pakistan must get too.

@BarryBiscuit you wouldn't- but Spain, Portugal ,Italy, France etc were all part of the same block deal!! Anyone in the UK 'could ' whilst in the EU retire to these places no questions asked. No fannying around with no more than 90 days in 180 etc. So if being pedantic substitute Spain and France where I said Poland and Czech Republic

Errr... vaguely similar cultural norms, higher quality of healthcare than India, lower level of poverty, more accommodating climate, closer and cheaper for visiting family and friends in the UK or vice versa, easy access to many nearby countries with hospitable climates and a huge range of different cultures and cuisines for holidays, better care services and public services in general than India, etc

Sure, due to the difficult language and issues around the rule of law, it wouldn't be the first choice for retirement for a lot of EU citizens unless they had a link there already. But still far more appealing than a retirement in India for somebody with no links to either country.

I am sick of this horseshit about only middle-class people and up benefitting from EU travel. I'm from a working class family with little money and never had a gap year, but did work and travel in the EU in between school years and as a student. I know loads of people from the same background who did so too.

If it’s beneficial for people in Indian then that is a good thing though.

If anyone believes that our Tory government are a benign smiling paternalistic force that wants people to do well for themselves then they are a fucking idiot.

Every single possible fork in the road these past 7 years has been to make damn sure the lower classes know their place, and damn well stay there. Even now, with talk of "helping out", you will notice how the poor and vulnerable aren't included.

Leaving the EU Single Market was spoken of before any referendum.

“The British public would be voting if we leave would be to leave the EU and leave the single market. We’d then have to negotiate a trade deal from outside with the European Union... But if we leave the EU and the German finance minister was very clear, you’re either in or you’re out, leaving the single market, you’ve then got to negotiate a trade deal.”

• David Cameron to Andrew Marr 12th June 2016

Two weeks BEFORE the referendum.

“No. We should be outside the single market. We should have access to the single market, but we should not be governed by the rules that the European Court of Justice imposes on us, which cost business and restrict freedom.”

• Michael Gove to Andrew Marr 8th May 2016

Boris Johnson agreed with Gove and said so as well.

So, your assertion that "people on the Brexit side of it said it would not ever involve leaving the single market" is demonstrably not true.

Remainers and Leavers both mentioned that. Nobody actually ruled out leaving the Single Market before, during or after the referendum.

www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2019/11/08/when-he-supported-norway-the-brexit-policy-farage-would-rather-forget/

You think taking qualified medical staff from India and other developing countries is a good thing ffs what is the matter with people?

Do folk no longer have a brain?

www.business-standard.com/article/current-affairs/india-in-need-of-4-3-mn-more-nurses-by-2024-to-meet-who-norms-nurse-org-121090201448_1.html

Well, the 'remoaners' fears are probably coming true aren't they:

www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jacob-rees-mogg-brexit-truss-b2147602.html%3famp

Just to address the work visa point - I am an American who is here on the new Skilled Worker visa (the same one EU citizens now need to obtain). Yes, it's expensive and there is paperwork, but if it's something you want to do it's doable.

I'm now about to move to a new job that will also sponsor me. They have actually decided to get their sponsor license in order to hire me and because they expect they will have to recruit more international candidates in future. A positive thing about this visa is that companies have to pay market rate for the role so they are not allowed to recruit foreign workers in an attempt to pay less.

Employers have had the whip hand for far too long in this country. It's about time employees had their day in the sun. Pay people what they are worth or suffer the consequences.

Pay people what they are worth or suffer the consequences

What would be the consequence? What would happen?