To think Brexit has robbed us of so much?

[elzober]

A friend of mine from America recently obtained citizenship of an EU country due to family links. She's now ready to look for a job and open to anything as she doesn't have a degree but worked in the family agricultural business back home. She's fluent in English.

A few years ago I would have been able to invite her to stay with me here in the UK, help her get established and set her up to apply for one of the many jobs over here. But now I can't do any of that.

The ridiculous part is I know local businesses that are really struggling to recruit, can't find people locally and have struggled with the lack of EU workers since Brexit. Particularly in hospitality, agriculture and travel.

Why did we close the door to people who filled these vacancies and contributed to society and paid taxes?

She would have been a decent tax payer, nice member of the community but she's not allowed in.

She's probably going to Ireland now as apparently there's lots more opportunities there since we became an isolated island.

I will never forgive the Conservatives for this shambles. Don't get me started on the fact that a British passport is now worthless and we've lost our right to live in 27 countries. Madness.

AndreaC74
The UK is planning on taking the EU to the ECJ (irony or what) over the EU barring the UK from three science projects: Horizon, EuroTom (nuclear) and Copernicus.
I'd bet my house that 99.9% on here had ever heard of all 3 let alone knew what they were in 2015.

EuroTom?
Is that a new type of Sat Nav?

Pugdogmom
Students have to fund their own Visa fees

But not 'disadvantaged' students I believe. Recent government press release on the Turing Scheme here:

www.gov.uk/government/news/more-disadvantaged-students-than-ever-will-work-or-study-around-the-globe-through-the-governments-turing-scheme

EdBallsDay
Brexit was pushed through quickly precisely to protect the tax havens and ensure our exist date meant we never had to implement the EU Anti-Tax Avoidance Directive

Are you sure about that? Do you have a link?

BBC - Claims about EU tax rules fact-checked;

www.bbc.co.uk/news/50168357

EdBallsDay
Before the economically illiterate jump on me again: no the fuel shortage in Europe is not caused by Brexit. However, fuel is priced and imported in USD and we're heavily reliant on imports - yet another failure of UK Government policy - so the fact that Brexit has led to a huge devaluation of GBP against USD and EUR means your fuel bills are approx 25% higher than they would be if it weren't for Brexit. Anybody like a 25% discount on their fuel bill? Then lobby your MP to rejoin the single market pronto.

I'm not sure that reasoning works looking at these charts:

www.macrotrends.net/2548/euro-dollar-exchange-rate-historical-chart
www.macrotrends.net/2549/pound-dollar-exchange-rate-historical-chart

Couldn't the EU work a bit harder on their economic policy as well?

July 2022
Euro falls below dollar for first time in 20 years

A weakening currency will make imports more expensive for eurozone countries, especially goods priced in dollars such as crude oil.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62153251

It used to be totally possible for most 19 year olds to move to Europe on a whim and live... for months or years. Often for less money than a train fare to somewhere else in the UK.

Now, thanks to Brexit, it isn't easy for most. It's still easy for the wealthy, powerful and well connected. But it's not easy for most.

EdBallsDay
Anybody remember arch Brexiteers insisting during the campaign that nobody was suggesting leaving the single market, because that would be suicidal? All on video, all over the internet. Repeated assurances on that.
They backtracked from that very quickly after the vote because their wealthy backers realised that if in the single market, the Directive would still have to be implemented.

You missed these then? All pre-referendum:

Feb 2016
Leader of the UK Independence Party Nigel Farage has said that he doesn't want the United Kingdom to be a part of the the European Single Market, but instead wants the UK to "stand on its own two feet".

www.cityam.com/eu-referendum-ukip-leader-nigel-farage-says-he-doesnt-want-to-be-part-of-the-european-single-market/

April 2016
Thanks to Michael Gove we know that Britain's future outside the EU would also be outside the single market.
So we can rule out our future looking like Norway or Iceland...
Vote Leave's future plan for the UK would be outside the EU and outside the EEA.

www.itv.com/news/2016-04-19/michael-gove-says-britains-future-outside-the-eu-would-also-be-outside-the-single-market-but-what-does-that-mean

12 June 2016
David Cameron confirmed that he will pull Britain out of the single market if there is a vote to leave the European Union at the upcoming referendum.
He said the Brexit campaign had made it clear to voters that voting to leave also meant pulling out of the single market.

www.politico.eu/article/david-cameron-bbc-andrew-marr-ill-pull-uk-out-of-the-single-market-after-brexit-eu-referendum-vote-june-23-consequences-news/

What should they do to take responsibility?

Since you asked, in a world where they had a moral compass they should:

1. Admit is was a huge mistake
2. Show some contrition for the damage caused
3. Campaign to ensure the UK rejoins the single market ASAP
4. In the meantime pay additional tax to cover to costs Brexit has caused for everyone else.

The Pyrenees? To get to Italy?

What nonsense these people come up with. 🤣🤣

Data can often be spun/manipulated to what you want it to say though. Often with big headlines to sell the data as a fact then in the small print its yada yada. We should all read the small print, that's where the truth lies.

How ironic when your posts reveal that any data at all - let alone digging into it with thorough analysis - is kryptonite to you.

This thread has reached the limit of it's usefulness. From hereonin the cut and pasted content will exceed any original discussion.

Oh dear. You're still trolling these threads after all of this time? How many times has all of your nonsense been debunked now on the Westminstenders threads and elsewhere over the years?

I'm not interesting in discussing anything with you at all having seen your awful behaviour so many times, sorry.

Indeed. Clavinova has arrived and will cut and paste their nonsense repeatedly as they always do. Going to mute it now.

No reason to mute the convo because Clav arrived. It's an interesting discussion and her posts are easy to ignore.

I don't know your age or nationality but I can assure you that living in shared houses in the UK from your 30s onwards isn't the done thing, especially if you're in a couple or have children. It's generally going to have you viewed as having failed at life if that's your situation, people will judge you negatively for it. That's if you can even find someone to rent to you in that situation. House shares are generally set up for and used by young single people, having children or partners or over 30s living in one changes the dynamic and doesn't really work for anyone involved. If you're foreign and did it temporarily that's one thing, but for the British person it wouldn't be temporary.

15yrs ago my relative was working full time as a junior mechanic, living in a 1 bedroom flat, no debts, frugal life, his only "extra" cost paying child support for his child who stayed with him and his ex, not quite equally, as shared custody. He ran a second hand car as work was 15miles away and public transport couldn't get him there. Living in the family home he was fit and healthy, a regular at the local cheap gym down the road. Living alone he was scrawny, had to quit the gym not only due to cost but also due to the calories burned, his work colleagues were regularly giving him their leftovers to supplement his megre lunch rations because they could see him losing weight. He ended up moving in with a new girlfriend of 3 months just to split living costs because he was literally starving on his wages.

Is 52 not more than 48 in other places?

And yet they have access to the SAME number of countries, hence joint 6th. If you look at Henley Passport Index ranking again......you'll find that there are other EU countries with access to MORE countries than an ROI Passport too. 🙄

Rubbish-for a start, once you’re in the Schengen area, there are no border controls-so going to Italy from France is no different-but they’re going in totally the wrong direction so will get a bit of a shock when they end up in Spain.

No, that really doesn't explain why MPs of other parties agreed to let it go ahead. Did they all run on the same manifesto?

No, not a chance.

Obviously, the majority of MPs thought having the referendum was a good idea in the first place.

Until the result came in, like. By then, the horse had bolted from the stable....

Nah, a majority of MPs from all parties agreed to a referendum there was no real significant reason for.

No manifesto is a concrete pledge and certainly doesn't have to be implemented. 🙄

If someone makes a claim you can find evidence is untrue, then you cut and paste that evidence. It's a no brainer.

One should accept the evidence contradicts their argument.

and @EdBallsDay

FWIW just to be clear that was that was a C&P from a post Florenz made..

Given I really can see the Pyrenees from my bedroom window I've go a pretty good idea it's not Italy on the other side..

YABVU and you will thank us one day.

I think for middle class people it's easy to shout and say your DCs gap year has been taken away from them. The poor working classes would have never been able to go to Italy for a gap year anyway, they would be working in minimum wage jobs scraping a living.

Am I annoyed about Brexit ? Yes only because I might not be able to retire to other EU countries . I don't speak a second language and many of my HCP colleagues go to the Anglosphere anyway. If you are highly skilled you will be able to leave the UK if you wish. I have noticed my wages have been rising particularly in the private sector.

I misremembered the bit about the Pyrenees was wrong but the rest of it is is correct:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/aug/01/uk-border-privilege-low-ranking-passport-brexit-international-travel

"And then the borders went and you really did feel a sense of freedom. The infrastructure was there but that was all. Passing through Monaco we went to Italy in February 2020 and there was barely the remnants of a border. Having had a glacé we went back to Nice. We’re not a part of that now."

Yes @Clavinova for you euratom lol! a spelling error but the fact remains that the UK is locked out of EU science projects because of Brexit.

Is this a good or a bad thing for the UK ?

Where does it say that? not in that link - just more made anti EU shite.

Anyone with even a mediocre knowledge of geography knows the Pyrenees are nowhere nr Italy.... mis remembered lol

If Brexitiers don't even have a basic knowledge of geography, no wonder they'd never heard of the Single Market.

It's because the ETIAS haven't kicked in yet. Are they counted as visa on there?

Lots of below middle class kids in eu used to go work somewhere. Bus fares were always cheap. I went on a bus to uk and to france. Were there no agencies in UK who were doing seasonal work abroad? Many people used these. It's not just EE who go around Europe for seasonal work....
Also people need to stop thinking working class are all on bone of their arses all the time....