Minimum Wage Minimum Effort

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Do you agree?

It's got me thinking. YABU - don't agree. YANBU - agree.

But aren't a lot of first and junior jobs minimum wage? How would you expect to move up in a company just doing the minimum.? What do you want from the job?
It's one thing doing a low skilled job where you just clock on do it then leave expecting no promotion. But if you hope to advance in a firm and are starting at an entry level, you work hard, show initiative and learn. Even working as a sales assistant in a shop - you show willing, make yourself useful, recognise opportunities and you'll get moved up. Someone just showing up and clock watching isn't going to impress anyone. Learning about a business from the ground up is invaluable experience. Maybe that's what makes a big difference between those who end up successful and those who just mark time - in many places you'll only get out the effort you put in.
Even if you were just taking a job to put food in the table, don't you owe it to yourself to do the best job you can? Have pride in your work?

Bi uts not acceptable. If minimum wage and they do minimum efforts no wonder they gonna stay like that. They not gonna grow as a person nor as their salary.

Minimum effort surely means minimum wage forever. You'd never progress with an attitude like that. If you've got a job you should be working well. If you don't like the pay work towards a better job

Having been working for 44 years in my experience it’s totally down to people’s personality.
Some people will work incredibly hard irrespective of the pay rate, others doss around and do as little as possible.
The hard thing is trying to find a way to ascertain this as interview.

I think if people feel they are being underpaid and underappreciated, it's pretty common that they will not put in much effort.

So part of it may come down to whether the minimum wage is actually fair. If it's not really enough to get by I think you will see people thinking that they will not give their all and who can blame them?

I would say that even when the pay it in itself fair, it's a reasonable expectation with a minimum wage job that it should not creep outside of the hours you are working. You should go to work and do the job, and then leave and forget about it. I also think that properly speaking minimum wage jobs should not involve on call time - an on call job requires some kind of extra in recognition of the hardship that involves.

I had an interesting conversation with my 24 year old stepson last weekend about this. My hsuband was saying how the young people working in the local co-op just acted like they hated being there and made you feel like a burden for being a customer.

My stepson said "well what do you expect? they're only on minimum wage".

I think for young people just starting out minimum wage is fine, but the effort to do a good job is still needed. We all had to start somewhere. My first job in 2002 I was on £2.80 an hour.

That being said, those who work hard jobs well into their adult lives on minimum wage, I would struggle to keep motivated and always put in the required effort.

On minimum wage with no prospect of advancement at that workplace I would make the least amount of effort that didn't stop me getting fired. Anything more would be silly.

I earn very little, I think just over £10/hr, plus some pence which was awarded last year for my hard work . I am a 121 SEN TA.

But I am job hunting. Not because I don't enjoy the job, I adore working with children, but because we need more money coming in.

I do think that diligence is not often rewarded in roles, and many areas of employment are totally undervalued.

Agreed

It depends
I started off minimum wage at an office job and because I put in more effort I ended up gaining more experience and respect. I now work elsewhere earning more money whilst my put in bare minimum colleagues still work for the same amount or have been made redundant

I also do not feel like it’s fair for someone on minimum wage to be expected to work well over the odds, be on call for free regularly or expected to be in supervisor or management roles

Some companies do take the mick and expect so much from someone that they are willing to pay minimum for. I do think this takes the piss

But no I also do not think you can put in bare minimum work just because you get paid minimum wage

A certain store considered a National treasure expects its staff to keep checking a work app after they have clocked out and to change their hours come in on their day off even if they have plans . This company comes first . They own your time

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I think that phrase contains a very entitled and economically wrong perception of what "minimum" wage means. It doesn't mean the amount paid is paltry, small or insulting. On the contrary, the whole point of having a minimum wage is to ensure some people are paid more than they are actually worth.

It's like when people on here say CMS is "the minimum" an NRP should pay, implying he's a bit of a cunt for not paying more. That's wrong, "legal minimum" is just what a crude rule requires him to pay, in some case it will be forcing him to pay too much.

A legal minimum in both cases is actually a central estimate of what should be paid, not a lower bound on what is decent. The economic/moral central estimate has to translate to a legal lower bound otherwise self-interest will cause the payer to reduce the amount.

I get paid much more than the minimum wage but I don’t do anything that’s not in the job description. Why would I? My work have ‘bought’ a certain amount of my time and a certain skill set. If they want more time they can pay for it and if they want me to use my degree then they can also pay for it. I’m not giving it away for free.

I don't like her but it seems Liz Truss was right about needing more graft in all areas, not just nmw!

reading all these posts and it’s typical mumsnet how mw is perceived. I can assure you the majority of workers working in warehouses/factories/carers/nursery nurses and so on work a hell of a lot harder than someone sitting in the comfort of their own home earning ridiculous wages.

I've always worked hard and tried my best, on minimum wage and now on a lot more. I like working and get a buzz out of doing a good job. No idea why, it's just how I'm wired.

I see less effort put into jobs by people who are paid more to be honest. Worked with people paid a lot more than me who sat reading books all day. Or playing games.

Look at our government. Over paid bunch of morons. They sit around and run the country into the ground. Plenty of CEOs who hire people for peanuts while paying themselves massive amounts and claiming there is no money for pay rises.

Employers who don't value their staff can't expect more than the bare minimum, no.

Nah, she was full of shit. There are significant structural reasons why the UK has a productivity problem, and just telling people they should graft more doesn't do anything to address it.

When my DC was young I had a minimum wage job, it was literally just a stop gap job to work around childcare. There was no chance of progression, it was a small family run business, I did admin for them. I absolutely did not put in any more effort than required, there was no option for promotion or pay rise.

When I got a job for a larger company I did put in more effort as I could work my way up the ladder.

I did years in retail earning just above NMW. When I did put in the maximum amount of effort (eg. to work towards a promotion), I ended up barely earning more money and being totally burnt out.

I once worked for a company who paid supervisors 6P AND HOUR more than regular workers. For that 48p per day, they were responsible for running the entire shop twice a week, locking up, cashing up, dealing with all the complaints, staff disciplinaries, training etc etc.

Whenever anyone ended up in that role (myself included) it never lasted. It was supposed to be a step towards the Deputy Manager role but that barely paid £2 per day more than the supervisor role did.

And the company wonder why they have such a high staff turnover.