Minimum Wage Minimum Effort

[ElegantAndWild]

Do you agree?

It's got me thinking. YABU - don't agree. YANBU - agree.

Maybe in time, although at present we have a huge labour shortage.

OnlyEverAutumn · Today 22:28
very true, my neighbor for example. Works for the council and does as little as possible. In the garden most days, gardening. Same with a few other neighbours as i can tell they are certainly taking the piss out of wfh

It's the people who Doss and do F all that get promoted. It's about face fitting 9 times out of 10!

In my industry (tech) we are desperate for staff and you know that when you advertised a job it could take MONTHS to fill. People who are on NMW jobs, think about a tech career, it is well paid and flexible and there are loads of jobs where you don't need to be technical. Junior roles (as in totally green with no qualifications) can start anywhere between 18k - 25k and more in London.

The tech industry needs:

• Project Managers
• Business Analysts
• Developers
• Software Testers
• Support Analysts

I worked in an 'entry level' job before going into tech and I could not believe how much more I got paid for the sheer level of flexibility I had. NMW jobs basically want you to give up your life for poorly paid, high stress work.

It's the opposite of an employers market in most sectors

What rock are you living under

The labour shortages are well reported on

It pisses me right off that some folk can just wfh and produce nothing other than send meaningless emails and receive meaningless emails plus have meaningless conversations about nothing and earn 50k a year. Oh have I listened to my wfh neighbours saying
"I'll get back to you."
"Call me back."
" I'll have a look and get back to you."
"I'll have a look and have a think."
"Call A and see what they say."

Then you have care workers working their skin off, dealing with death, shit , mental illness, loneliness , medications , preparing meals , lifting, bathing doing a fuck ton of paperwork for next to nothing.

Minimum wage =maximum effort.

And don't get me started on TA salaries.
Endless ASD/ADHD/CD/AFRID/physical disabilities/dyslexia/dyscalculia/emotional well-being/bereavement/childhood stroke/cerebral palsy/emotional intelligence/HLTA training resulting in just short of £9k pa.

Of course. If they can't be arsed to pay an extra bloody 50p an hour I'm not breaking a sweat! Fuck working for minimum rage anyway it is not worth it compared to what things cost.

Why does it piss you off

People have choices in regards to their careers on the most part

Oh. As a nursery nurse on MW this makes me feel fantastic.

Minimum wage is ok if you're young, living with parents or house share and have few responsibilities. It's not meant to be forever.

XenoBitch · Today 21:57
i don’t know why your calling folk on minimum wage monkeys because looking at your past threads it looks like your on benefits. Say no more

Depends on your goal in life. DS started a $10/hour job in a fast food chicken place two years ago. He was in last year of school and worked part time. Seven boys started together. Worked six months without ever getting a demerit. Got a 50cent raise. After 1 year with perfect attendance got a $1 raise. Now at $11.50/hr. Asked to increase hours over summer break. Agreed to work Saturdays. Now up to $15/hour and promoted to event deliveries with use of company delivery van. Also got a $2000 scholarship for college.
Of the seven boys who started, two were fired for missing too much work. Two quit because the work was too hard. One got married and went to a full-time job and one transferred to another store (also got scholarship).
So the company interviewed, selected and trained seven people and ended up with only two reliable employees.

I personally have more self respect. A bit zen but you should give 100% irrespective of what the hourly rate is.

You spend a lot of time at work. It loses all meaning if you go about it half arsed IMO.

Spot on, keg. Whatever job I’ve done, I’ve been there of my own volition. I don’t see the point of turning up to slack off, or taking my own frustrations out on the people I am supposed to be helping.

Having worked in numerous tech jobs for 25 years - can confirm.

Very few tech firms actually seem to want highly technically adept, intelligent staff.

I am staggered with the level of ability for some folks I know being paid 50/60k. Honestly, my 9 year old nephew would do a better job and is more knowledgeable. The 8 year old me definitely would. No way I'd pay many of my colleagues more than minimum wage if I was in charge 😂

I actually find it pretty grotesque that they are paid better than people working hard in McDonalds, care etc.

Most are useless, and the entitlement is off the scale as well in terms of what they expect the working environment to be like and tolerate.

If you work for a massive corporation that has sky high profits being shared amongst a select few, absolutely they can get to fuck. However, if you are a carer, t.a etc. and have a conscience that becomes a bit of an issue. People saying people who are on mw should just get another job, completely moronic. Many people simply cannot get a job that pays higher and if somehow everyone could the country would pretty fucked. No waiters to serve you at restaurants, no cashiers to put your shopping through, no one to sweep popcorn up in the cinema, the list goes on. Sure it might force the employers to pay a decent wage finally but it's never going to happen that way.

Well it’s not what the western capitalist economy is founded on. Minimum wage = if only you work harder and better you too will —see your manager has a newer car— become rich.

No, I work very hard. I'm on NMW and I work in childcare. I have a degree in Early Childhood Education and I'm proud of my job. It's unfortunate that no one seems to value what I do in monetary terms, but the children and parents I work with are very happy and that means a lot to me.

Yes agree to an extent. I've worked a McJob, call centre work etc the lower wage jobs like those expect 110%, demand you to be available 24/7 and are the most controlling over sick days/rota/toilet breaks

I did my job description, clocked out as soon as it hit my shift ending time and didn't respond to threats or manipulation🤷‍♀️ I don't lick boots or live to work.

The worst they could do is fire me, but there's always plenty other NMW jobs with an immediate start... I've never been fired. I've quit low paid jobs tho without notice etc depends on how annoying the management are.

Obviously it is a different story for care, childcare etc .. I would still do a job well done but I wouldn't do any extra unpaid labour or help employers out too much. NMW is the company saying "If I could legally pay you less, I would"

It's possibly why they struggle to fill jobs as money only goes so far. I personally couldn't cope working with the people you describe as it'd drive me potty!

Well, on the one hand I think - don't take a job if you aren't going to do it to an adequate standard.

On the other hand, I think you would be crazy to go above and beyond in a minimum wage job, unless there is a chance of progressing.

A lot of employers want the moon on a stick for minimum wage, and I don't think that is reasonable.

I earn 75k WFH and do the bare minimum.
It's a good wicket if you can get it.

No. It means meeting the expectations of the job for the pay offered.

I have tried to so hard to find this sort of job.