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AIBU?

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To have ‘defaced’ this photograph??

818 replies

Boobsakimboo · 14/08/2022 09:39

We have lockers at work, in our break room where everyone goes and one co-worker,
Jim, has a photo of a famous, topless page 3 girl on the inside of his door.
the girl in the photo was 16 when it was taken, and he’s had it since around the same age - he wrote into The Sun and got a signed one sent- so it’s very precious to him.

several women have mentioned to Jim that they’d rather he didn’t have it there as the locker door is often left open and we can see it. Jim thinks we’re prudes, because it’s famous page 3 girls, and IN his locker it’s not an issue.

Anyway, cut to last week. I was alone in break room. Locker door was open so I’m looking at this picture. There were Sharpie pens sitting on the table. So I gave the child in the photo quite a substantial bikini top with the permanent marker.

shit has hit the fan! Management don’t quite know what to do. Jim is furious, and the workforce divided into those who think it’s funny and those who think it was wrong.
no-one know who did it… Jim
his suspicions …

So MN, was AIBU??

OP posts:
whalleyt · 14/08/2022 11:11

It won't be an original

shit you have just destroyed Jim's dreams forever!

limitedperiodonly · 14/08/2022 11:12

I wonder if it was her signature. He's probably been wanking himself raw since the '80s over a picture signed by Dave from the Sun's promotions department.

onelittlefrog · 14/08/2022 11:12

You should have spoken to management about the issue rather than defacing it.

Regardless what you think it has sentimental value for him and vandalising it is not the right approach.

PonyPatter44 · 14/08/2022 11:12

Kashmirsilver · 14/08/2022 11:09

Page 3 is tawdry. However, you deliberately damaged a colleague's property.
You should face disciplinary at a minimum. If you worked for me I'd sack you on the spot.

Is defacing property more serious than the open display of illegal child sexual exploitation material in the workplace?

Presumably if the OP worked for you, you'd have some rules about the display of images of CSE in public areas?

CandyLeBonBon · 14/08/2022 11:12

mam0918 · 14/08/2022 11:10

You damaged someone elses property in on their property... you commited a crime, of course you are wrong.

Regardless of your personal feelings, it was and still is legal to own and you dont get to impose your personal beliefs in vigilanty actions outside of the law.

Also as a woman who worked for a company similar to page 3 I have never met a woman who it wasnt wholehaertedly her choice to pose topless, many of us feel our breasts are not 'shameful' or 'offensive'... its not femanism to impose control over other women and attempt to shame us or forcibly remove our own choice.

Whatever you do with your breasts is up to you but pictures of naked women in the workplace is considered sexist and is in contravention of current workplace policies.

Thereisnolight · 14/08/2022 11:13

As a pp said everyone’s in the wrong here.

Jim sounds a bit ick but the poster is of a woman who is probably now his own age, so not a current teen. Nothing illegal about it, but he should have accepted that the location of it was provocative. I don’t feel sorry for him.

Management needs to up their diplomacy and management skills.

But back to you OP, the worst offender here. What else do you disapprove of and will therefore destroy?

RishiRich · 14/08/2022 11:13

YANBU and I did almost exactly the same thing when I replaced a colleague's photo of a woman in a skimpy bikini with one of David Cameron in his swimming trunks. The colleague in question was furious but had been told by HR to take it off his desk and refused, so he had it coming.

onelittlefrog · 14/08/2022 11:13

Is defacing property more serious than the open display of illegal child sexual exploitation material in the workplace?

No but OP shouldn't have taken it into her own hands. Whilst people had complained to Jim, it doesn't sound like anyone had actually approached management to try and sort this out in a better way first.

Onandupw · 14/08/2022 11:14

@mam0918 you don’t think there are issues with cosent of a sixteen year old girl?

the sexualisation of girls has an impact across the board

Sparklingbrook · 14/08/2022 11:14

Thereisnolight · 14/08/2022 11:13

As a pp said everyone’s in the wrong here.

Jim sounds a bit ick but the poster is of a woman who is probably now his own age, so not a current teen. Nothing illegal about it, but he should have accepted that the location of it was provocative. I don’t feel sorry for him.

Management needs to up their diplomacy and management skills.

But back to you OP, the worst offender here. What else do you disapprove of and will therefore destroy?

Yes, it doesn't sound like a great place to work. Ineffective management, men with topless pictures, defacing other's stuff. What else is going on?

whalleyt · 14/08/2022 11:14

@Discovereads is that the same for indecent images of children?

the fact remains the majority of leather handbags are not from crocodiles & are not illegal to use at work.

whalleyt · 14/08/2022 11:16

But back to you OP, the worst offender here.

not really though, hence why no one cares when pedos get beaten up in prison.

toomuchlaundry · 14/08/2022 11:16

Sam Fox’s dad was her manager. Imagine that situation now, your dad arranging photo shoots of his underage child

whalleyt · 14/08/2022 11:17

@onelittlefrog the op went to management

Sparklingbrook · 14/08/2022 11:18

whalleyt · 14/08/2022 11:17

@onelittlefrog the op went to management

But not to HR when management didn't act.

Pinkjacket22 · 14/08/2022 11:18

badgerstink · 14/08/2022 09:43

Jim should have taken the photo home for his own personal gratification if that's what Jim gets his rocks off to

I had similar when a colleague had a very religious quote about gods unconditional love on his desk. I wanted it taken down but management didn't know where to put themselves. The quote stayed up. Workplaces are not the place for such things.

P.S Jim sounds a dick

This!

Why should you have to keep asking and have no one take you seriously. That's very unreasonable that nothing was done on the first time of asking. Most people wouldn't be brave enough to even ask and put themself in the firing line. It's a workplace. There should be nothing there to make people uncomfortable. Your employers have a duty of care. As a human being and a person who needs a job to pay the rent I wouldn't risk my job by having a picture like that especially once I know it makes people uncomfortable. Well done!

Maireas · 14/08/2022 11:19

toomuchlaundry · 14/08/2022 11:16

Sam Fox’s dad was her manager. Imagine that situation now, your dad arranging photo shoots of his underage child

That was, unfortunately, all too common. Remember the countdown to her turning 16? Sick.

CrunchyCarrot · 14/08/2022 11:20

I voted YABU because you permanently defaced someone's property (possibly valuable as it was signed), and that's not right. The rights and wrongs of having pictures like that at work are another matter and management should have sorted out the problem.

SuperPets · 14/08/2022 11:20

pictish · 14/08/2022 11:03

Yes…you destroyed it. The photo is anything but intact. It’s a photo, the image has been permanently altered. You have destroyed it.

Why am I having to explain this to you? Is it because you prefer to downplay what you did to make it something else? Something less spiteful?
Don’t bother. You destroyed it.

I think you're confused. Destroying child porn is a GOOD thing. Displaying child porn in a workplace is a BAD thing.

Do you need a flowchart?

FrippEnos · 14/08/2022 11:21

Given the legalities of having pictures of naked people in the work place I doubt that this is true.

If it is true the OP went about this the wrong way and should have reported this to management and HR in writing. Destroying property is also illegal.

But I look forward to the OP's next vigilante experience when she starts dismantling overly loud exhausts.

SuperPets · 14/08/2022 11:22

CrunchyCarrot · 14/08/2022 11:20

I voted YABU because you permanently defaced someone's property (possibly valuable as it was signed), and that's not right. The rights and wrongs of having pictures like that at work are another matter and management should have sorted out the problem.

Amazing how many of you seem to think that child pornography is ok if its an original signed copy.

So if Jim put up pictures of naked children that he got off the internet, would that be ok? Or would it be alright to destroy them?

toomuchlaundry · 14/08/2022 11:22

It really won’t be valuable, it will be more than likely a mass produced copy. And I assume would be illegal to sell now as would be an illegal image of a child

whalleyt · 14/08/2022 11:23

@Sparklingbrook as I said management should have also gone to HR

Onandupw · 14/08/2022 11:23

@CrunchyCarrot why do you think it’s important to protect the value of sexual images of children?

Sparklingbrook · 14/08/2022 11:24

whalleyt · 14/08/2022 11:23

@Sparklingbrook as I said management should have also gone to HR

But they didn't see a problem. Which is why Op should have.

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