Page 11 | Comedians defending Jerry Sadowitz

FenlandFuckwit · 2022-08-13T19:37:20+00:00

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-62533592 His latest gig has been cancelled after he told racist jokes and got his dick out. Why are other comedians defending his right to do this? This behaviour is not ok, AIBU to think this is indecent and disgusting behaviour and the venue were correct in cancelling him.

SEVENUPCHERRY · 15/08/2022 14:20

TinySophie · 15/08/2022 14:00

Yes, I understand that one. You got your head around the hooves one yet?

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Marmaduke didn't say anything about not getting the hooves comment. That was someone else.

Take a breather before rushing to behave like a dick and you might not end up looking like one :) <3

AlexandriasWindmill · 15/08/2022 14:34

Before the story blew up and was spun by The Sun and others, people who were at the show said it was about a joke that TRAs didn't like.

That also fits with other machinations going on behind the scenes at other venues. Seasonal student staff feeling 'unsafe' is an issue that has suddenly surfaced this year and that's one all the venues are grappling with. They've always employed lots of students around the Fringe and the Festival. This year, the students are trying to police the content and get performers cancelled.

Regarding JS - I don't think the complainers or campaigners knew who he was, how well-established his persona is or how close-knit the professional comedy circuit is.

Another issue for The Pleasance is that it's left venue-goers out of pocket because it isn't refunding travel or accommodation costs. Their second statement asking no other venue to book JS is very much in keeping with the agenda being pushed here - it's not enough to try to ruin a reputation and leave people out of pocket - you then need to try to sabotage their ability to continue their career or business anywhere else too. It's a scorched earth policy. But I notice the Assembly Festival has told The Pleasance to stop trying to police other venues simply because The Pleasance 'lost their bottle'.

CatsandFish · 15/08/2022 14:41

JemimaPuddlegoose · 14/08/2022 13:57

Exposing your penis without warning is NEVER acceptable.

Calling people racial slurs is never acceptable.

If a trans comedian or a drag queen had exposed their penis during a show MN would be up in arms calling for them to be cancelled. I can't believe the blatant rank hypocrisy of defending indecent exposure just because he's anti-trans. I swear Mumsnet would cheer on Pol Pot if he was anti-trans.

Being anti-trans does not make you a friend to GC women. Being anti-trans does not make you a good person.

The mentality on this forum that anyone who's anti-trans must be championed and applauded no matter what terrible things they do (eg rapists, or far right wing politicians who want to ban reproductive rights, because fuck women and fuck women's rights, all that matters is being anti-trans) is honesty terrifying.

I wonder who is pushing this agenda that gender critical women should tolerate and embrace sexual abuse/rape and support racism and other far right wing politics. Very very sinister.

@JemimaPuddlegoose 'anti-trans', or, pro-women? It's so easy to label everyone who is pro-womens human rights as 'anti-trans'. In fact, it says so much that being pro womens human rights is now anti-trans. That should tell you something, if you really think about it.

WolverineBluey · 15/08/2022 14:41

Thanks MaChien that is an interesting insight. Admittedly it is a looooong time since I have been to the Fringe!

Beowulfa · 15/08/2022 15:37

Reminds me of when Life Of Brian was banned in Norway, and Swedish cinemas promptly advertised it as being "so funny they banned it in Norway".

From that era there's footage of Michael Palin and a CofE vicar on a chat show sofa politely debating whether or not the film was blasphemous. Compare that level of calm neutral discourse between people of different opinions to the instant cancelling of the Twitter zealots.

MrsTerryPratchett · 15/08/2022 15:39

The 'unsafe' thing is interesting. What would we think of a cinema which stopped screening American History X? We'd think they were idiots, correct? Because although it depicts horrifying racism and violence, it's still brilliant. Films about DV, child abuse, racism, everything make the cut (18+ obviously) and the staff in the cinema don't say they're unsafe.

What's the difference?

MrsTerryPratchett · 15/08/2022 15:42

I can't help thinking comedians are specifically being attacked at the moment because they are often the bravest in terms of free speech. In other news, Rushdie and JKR.

RoseAndRose · 15/08/2022 15:43

MrsTerryPratchett · 15/08/2022 15:39

The 'unsafe' thing is interesting. What would we think of a cinema which stopped screening American History X? We'd think they were idiots, correct? Because although it depicts horrifying racism and violence, it's still brilliant. Films about DV, child abuse, racism, everything make the cut (18+ obviously) and the staff in the cinema don't say they're unsafe.

What's the difference?

The difference is the BBFC

Everything shown in British cinemas must be approved before release.

MrsTerryPratchett · 15/08/2022 15:45

The difference is the BBFC

That's the mechanism. Not the reason.

RoseAndRose · 15/08/2022 15:55

MrsTerryPratchett · 15/08/2022 15:45

The difference is the BBFC

That's the mechanism. Not the reason.

It’s both.

For it applies uniform standards of acceptability, publishing decisions about mandated cuts, and when standards are released, approving for release.

There isn’t really the possibility of ‘extreme racism’ in a BBFC approved film, though certain levels that are justified by the wider plot may well remain in (OTOH even within that framework certain words may still be required to be removed)

Whereas in a live show, anything could happen - no preset (and unavoidable) standards as with films.

CredibilityProblem · 15/08/2022 16:06

12 Years a Slave got a 15 certificate despite the extremely strong expressions of racism (and strong portrayals of violence and rape) throughout. Django Unchained was passed as a 18.

Office247 · 15/08/2022 16:07

forgive me because I can see the majority think it’s unreasonable that his show has been cancelled, and I’m trying to understand hence me reading here.

I just don’t see the point in a man whipping his dick out like this. It seems completely unnecessary, regardless of any warnings. I’m sure there’s plenty the guy can do for laughs that doesn’t resort to this. It’s a bit grim. I don’t think being a comedian or being part of a Fringe show is a free pass - unless the theme is literally nudity, then there is the risk of random tourists just grabbing tickets to shows without being fully informed. The strip clubs up the road have stricter restrictions. I’m actually surprised it’s been accepted for this man do do this for decades.

antelopevalley · 15/08/2022 16:08

12 Years a Slave was not - come and laugh at the racism.

CredibilityProblem · 15/08/2022 16:12

antelopevalley · 15/08/2022 16:08

12 Years a Slave was not - come and laugh at the racism.

No of course not, but the PP said you wouldn't get extreme racism passed by the BBFC, and of course you would....in a context which clearly condemns it.

Scianel · 15/08/2022 16:12

12 Years a Slave was not - come and laugh at the racism

Nor was this show. It was come and laugh at the racists.

I just don’t see the point in a man whipping his dick out like this

Then it's not the show for you, and that's fine. There are plenty of stage productions and films that have full frontal male nudity. The performer clearly feels that exposing himself adds to his show and is in context.
People - adults - really do need to take a bit of responsibility. It's the Fringe, it's an 18+ show as many are, the tickets warn of the nudity.

It's all starting to remind me of that poor sodding walrus who was put down because people were too stupid to stay away from it.

Floisme · 15/08/2022 16:16

I find it a bit of a stretch to imagine even the most random tourist buying a ticket for that particular show without having any inkling of they were about to see. But if that were the case, then I think they'd be entitled to ask for and get a refund. What I don't think they're entitled to do is to prevent other adults from seeing the show because they couldn't be bothered to check.

SerendipityJane · 15/08/2022 16:21

People had better steer clear of "In The realm of the Senses" then ...

Fancydancer1934 · 15/08/2022 16:22

PlanetNormal · 14/08/2022 11:20

It’s Jerry Sadowitz, FFS. Everyone who knows anything about comedy is well aware that he has been offending censorious pearl-clutchers for decades. That’s his act. It always has been. Those of delicate sensibilities can avoid being offended by the simple strategy of not buying a ticket for his show and going to see Michael fucking Macintyre instead.

This country is going backwards on issues of free speech and decades of anti censorship progress are being reversed. This climate ends in books being burned and septuagenarian authors being stabbed on stage at literary festivals by religious nutters.

Hear hear! A voice of reason amongst the faux offended brigade.

RoseAndRose · 15/08/2022 16:23

CredibilityProblem · 15/08/2022 16:12

No of course not, but the PP said you wouldn't get extreme racism passed by the BBFC, and of course you would....in a context which clearly condemns it.

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I agree that racism can be shown, and 12 Years a Slave was passed with no cuts, though caveated for strong violence, injury detail, sex, nudity and racist terms

Other films have cuts made for extreme racism: BBFC’s statement when explaining the certification for Love + Hate: “Works which actively encourage and endorse racist attitudes and behaviour have been placed at the adult category, cut or rejected in the past”. but, as in this case, they can stand when the film as a whole shows adequate mitigation.

I think what counts as “extreme” might be the crux here.

And of course a BBFC approved film, which contains adequate mitigation (both in story arc and in cuts to the most excessive passages) does not compare to quick-fire live sets

TinySophie · 15/08/2022 16:23

Office247 · 15/08/2022 16:07

forgive me because I can see the majority think it’s unreasonable that his show has been cancelled, and I’m trying to understand hence me reading here.

I just don’t see the point in a man whipping his dick out like this. It seems completely unnecessary, regardless of any warnings. I’m sure there’s plenty the guy can do for laughs that doesn’t resort to this. It’s a bit grim. I don’t think being a comedian or being part of a Fringe show is a free pass - unless the theme is literally nudity, then there is the risk of random tourists just grabbing tickets to shows without being fully informed. The strip clubs up the road have stricter restrictions. I’m actually surprised it’s been accepted for this man do do this for decades.

I’m not sure if you know, but there are shows where women show off quite a lot too.

Mainly though, what has whether it’s necessary got to do with banning it?

Office247 · 15/08/2022 16:23

Floisme · 15/08/2022 16:16

I find it a bit of a stretch to imagine even the most random tourist buying a ticket for that particular show without having any inkling of they were about to see. But if that were the case, then I think they'd be entitled to ask for and get a refund. What I don't think they're entitled to do is to prevent other adults from seeing the show because they couldn't be bothered to check.

I think that’s totally fair

antelopevalley · 15/08/2022 16:25

Scianel · 15/08/2022 16:12

12 Years a Slave was not - come and laugh at the racism

Nor was this show. It was come and laugh at the racists.

I just don’t see the point in a man whipping his dick out like this

Then it's not the show for you, and that's fine. There are plenty of stage productions and films that have full frontal male nudity. The performer clearly feels that exposing himself adds to his show and is in context.
People - adults - really do need to take a bit of responsibility. It's the Fringe, it's an 18+ show as many are, the tickets warn of the nudity.

It's all starting to remind me of that poor sodding walrus who was put down because people were too stupid to stay away from it.

Sounds like Alf Garnett.
Say racist stuff and claim it is against the racism.

Floisme · 15/08/2022 16:28

I think that’s totally fair
🙂

Scianel · 15/08/2022 16:30

antelopevalley have you been to a JS show, out of interest?

SerendipityJane · 15/08/2022 16:32

Say racist stuff and claim it is against the racism.

That way you can play both sides of the room ... (courtesy S. Lee) ...