To feel increasingly alienated by Tory voters?

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I am in despair as to where our country is at. With the cost of living crisis looming (and already beginning), this winter is going to be brutal and likely life ending for so many in the UK, and the current aspiring leadership of the Tory party seem to be more interested in litigating culture wars and appeasing NIMBY pensioners in the Home countries than actually addressing any of the serious problems in the UK.

I've never been a Tory voter, but I've always been able to get along with people who have different views (provided they aren't racist/homophobic etc). But how anyone could see all the misery and deprivation on the horizon, look at the prospective leaders and frontbenchers with their complete lack of sultions, and continue with supporting them is genuinely beyond me. I find myself slowly being consumed by bitterness and rage against people for their views, and it frightens me. Am I alone in this?

Remain sceptical. You just want to post hate all over the internet about people you know nothing about. It’s out of order Ps, I’m a labour voter.

As it happens I started the new job this month so not completely sure what tax will be - the £18000 was for the previous post.
I don't think that 1% of six figure salaries, however, is particularly out of kilter with salaries in other countries and the percentage of those earning at that level.

So you don’t. Didn’t think so as that’s way off what someone on six figures pays in tax. The salaries are really that off which why we will be emigrating.

I vote who I vote for and other people can vote who they wish to vote for. Everyone has the right, in a democratic society, to vote for who they wish. And long may that continue. I'm not that self important to get annoyed or angry because people dare to vote differently to me.

Well said - I agree with every word.

Well up until my last pay packet I did. It'll now be £25000 after pension deductions.Labour's plans would take a further £1000, which I don't think is unfair at all. It still leaves the vast majority in my pocket. If Labour then improved the NHS so that I didn't have to pay privately for some of the medical care my kids have received, or gave students a fairer loan system and rate of tax there, or ensured that my parents received better social care, I'd be happy with that. Twelve years of the Tories have shown me that they are very much not going to do any of these things. Time for a change.

Also are you really suggesting that everyone secretly agrees with you? I don't talk about trans issues pretty much ever, so how would they know what a terribly 'capture handmaid' I am, in order to censor themselves?

To be fair an awful lot of people won't talk about it, even with people they are close to, for fear of being labelled as a 'terf' and the pitchforks coming out. Unless people do openly talk about their views then often it's just not worth the risk

So after saying you pay 18k tax which is not a 6 figure salary which you then claim to earn. You then roughly work out the tax burden for 100k bang on. Yeah ok. Come back once you’ve hit 60% and then 45% and talk about the tax burden. 6 figure salary indeed.

Meh. The state of politicians on both sides of the house is an absolute embarrassment. I am just going to vote for whoever offers the biggest tax cuts because I have no confidence that state providers are capable of being anything other than shit even if we harpoon them with cash. The NHS under the Tories is dire. However, I remember the NHS under Blair/Brown and it was also dire, but with nicer cars in the consultants' car park and a bit more fancy artwork on the walls.

I spend a fair bit of time in France and I can't help thinking they do socialism so much better than we do. Yes, taxes are high, but the health system is fantastic, wages are high, employment rights are strong and everything seems to work. We just seem to vacillate from defunding (Tories) to hosing money at everything for the sake of it (Labour). It's like pinball and each approach is woeful in different ways. Then people on each "side" fling insults at each other based on where we are on the pendulum.

So you want your husband to pay less tax and the tax payers to fund more benefits for you? Sounds about right for a tory tbh.

You do realise that the Tories (the party not their voters before anyone has a tantrum about this bit) consider people like your daughter to be a burden on society and one they'd rather not have to deal with? That's why they not only refuse to fund care properly but actively seek to reduce the benefits available and make life more difficult for those who "can't take responsibility" for their own lives (to quote a pp).

The tories aren't to blame for a pandemic and a foreign war, that much is true. They are to blame for their failure to invest in this countries infrastructure and public services for the past 12 years, for allowing billions to be lost to fraud and awarding billions more to their mates during covid, for brown nosing Russian oligarchs until it became unfashionable, for siphoning public funds into private shareholders pockets, for overseeing ever increasing health, wealth, and educational inequality, and for activley trying to make life worse for the poorest and/or most vulnerable.

What @Deguster and @Itisasecret (all her posts) said.

We all deserve better. We all want better - just differ on how to get there.

as for @Itisasecret ive nodded along to each and every one of her posts in total agreement - yet I’m the one who’ll be voting Rishi or Liz. Lucky me.

Not quite sure why you're being so rude. August is a standard time of the year to start new roles, which is what I've done. There's no great conspiracy.
I also happen to agree that taxes are high here - where I disagree is about who should be paying them and how they should be spent. It's perfectly fair to ask those on very high salaries to pay more. It's extremely galling, if paying a lot of tax, to feel that it's being wasted. Labour was much better at investing in public services.

As I have said on other threads. As a member of Tory Party I am extremely disappointed about several things: All because of low standards of Politicians across the Parties.
I really can't vote for the Labour Party, it has rid itself of Corbyn. But Angela Rayner and the RMT + Unite?
No Way!

But Dorries, Coffey and the ERG are OK?

If you voted Tory in 2019 because you wanted Brexit to finally happen, or did not agree with the Labour offering, nor the Lib Dems cancelling Brexit without a referendum, understandable and fair enough.

However, if upon seeing the corruption and neglect and at least 20,000 avoidable deaths of Mr Johnson's period as Prime Minister, only to be succeeded by one of two people who helped enable it, and still want to vote Tory, then you are a person without morals.

@balalake can you explain in layman’s terms your triage system for a pandemic with unknown death rate working on the assumption there are finite staff able and willing to work with said patients and also that resources (beds) are limited?

I've always thought tax should be a flat rate across the board. Say 20% or something

This sums it up.

I'm a floating voter, but these "Tories are evil personified" threads are so tedious.

None of them are okay: they all lack brains (Raan, Truss, Rayner), morals (Boris, Hancock), principles (Starmer, Lammy, Truss), backbone (Starmer again) and/or are wholly unrelatable (Sunak, Thornberry). My mind boggles at how we elected this bunch of utter incompetents who aren’t fit for any kind of high office.

@Carpy88999 out of interest, why? What is the issue with people with massive salaries paying more than those on minimum wage?

Yep. There's a lot of people concerned about it, but anyone speaking about it instantly gets labelled transphobic and a TERF.

I agree with some of this, and completely agree that Westminster houses some of the worst MPs we've ever seen.
But how is Lammy unprincipled? And don't agree on Emily T - I always think she seems rather jolly and down-to-earth. This isn't meant to be a dig - am genuinely interested.
I wish we had more MPs like Caroline Lucas and Peter Kyle.

I don't think it should fall upon higher earners to burden the vast majority of taxation, I certainly don't think it's fair to raise taxes for higher earners to prop up our failing public services. I say this as someone firmly rooted in the lower bands...

I'm most definitely not an economist so I don't know if this would ever work or if it would bring in enough tax monies to fund services anyway.

I have always voted Labour, unionised profession the lot. I can’t. They’ve abounded their core voters, unionised professions and others. They have done nothing in opposition.

The Tory voters, members I know have no issue with paying tax. The problem they have is it being expected they fund everyone’s life choices. If it’s true you’ve just tipped into 6 figures midnight you’ll be paying 60% tax until 125k. On top of NI, council tax, etc, etc. It’s the entitlement and the expectation that everyone else should be funded by 50% of the tax payers who have a 90% tax burden. That includes people on just 50k. The lady who posted about that WOULD be better on benefits and her husband going part time. Some one said “how very Tory.” You could say, expecting someone to be worse off by just hitting 40% tax to fund the lifestyle of others is “very labour.”

Which ever way you spin it, the party who leaves workers with more money will eventually out. That is why Tories traditionally do well in England and therefore the UK. A lower tax, keep more of what you earn is preferred.

With a cost of living crisis people are going to want to see immediate benefit and the quickest way is tax cuts. Not expecting the same old people to pay for state subsidisation. It is proven not to work.

The hate and entitlement aimed at people for voting how they want in a democracy is probably
turning more people against the socialist cause than you think.

25k is still REALLY low for someone who is over £100k? Have you factored in the loss of personal allowances etc (so the 60% effective tax rate for anything between 100-120k)