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First family dog?

213 replies

gotelltheoldmandowntheroad · 09/08/2022 18:41

Husband wants a German Shepherd, he also likes XL Bully and Rottweiler.

I am open to a dog but...

small house
do not want fur everywhere

We have two cats already so would look into getting a puppy.
We have a big garden and both often work from home so wouldn't leave him alone.

I know about having dogs, had them before, but not too keen, I'm a cat person. Husband and child are keen. Husband spoke about "family protection" but ultimately we are animal lovers but that seems to be a factor for him.

My questions are:

Dogs that won't add the least to my cleaning burden (that's my bag)

Safest around the child (from puppy and trained)

Perhaps that a non-dog person might like best?

Given he's mentioned those three breeds, which would you go for? Child is 6.

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pilates · 09/08/2022 20:59

Don’t get a dog, especially not those breeds.

In fact don’t get a dog at all. You will get lumbered with it and you don’t sound keen enough. Puppies are hard work.

MonicaGellerHyphenBing · 09/08/2022 21:00

Good lord 🤦🏻‍♀️ Smh

Please don’t get a dog. Clueless first time owners getting an XL Bully when they have young children and cats = utter disaster waiting to happen, just don’t do it.

Your husband sounds like a tool.

LadyApplejack · 09/08/2022 21:03

Any parent singling out an XL Bully as a family pet needs their head testing. Hardly a day seems to go by where one hasn't mauled someone. I'm sure most are fine but seriously, why take the risk around such a small child?! The other two types would also be too powerful for my liking around a 6 year-old.

Your husband clearly doesn't have the right motivations, and you don't even want one. Just stick to your guns.

category12 · 09/08/2022 21:04

Yes, I'm resistant. don't like dogs much. He keeps pestering me about it though. work from home, I don't want anything to do with this dog to be honest. I'm vegan, I care about animals a lot! I miss meat! But... I am just don't want a dog around me all the time.

God, stick to your guns and don't have one. Don't give in. You'll end up doing all the cleaning up after it, it'll be under your feet all day and realistically you'll probably end up doing much of the walking etc too. As you're the one at home, it'll fall on you to train it.

If you're not fully on board and excited to have one, you're going to resent the work of it like hell and you may not fall in love with the dog but feel annoyed with it. Don't do it.

pictish · 09/08/2022 21:04

MonicaGellerHyphenBing · 09/08/2022 21:00

Good lord 🤦🏻‍♀️ Smh

Please don’t get a dog. Clueless first time owners getting an XL Bully when they have young children and cats = utter disaster waiting to happen, just don’t do it.

Your husband sounds like a tool.

Exactly, exactly.

Sorry OP you probably didn’t expect such an onslaught but truly, those breeds are a SHIT idea with inexperience, cats and kids in the mix.

Tell him to pull his manly head out of his macho arse and be sensible fgs.

thesurrealist · 09/08/2022 21:04

Just rtft and realised bully is not staffie. Sorry. But definitely no. Totally unsuitable.

Wolfiee · 09/08/2022 21:06

No way in hell I would get an xl bully and I think they should be banned.

From those 3 I’d say a German shepherd but they shed like fuckery.

Truly in your position I’d say don’t get a dog and if you do, don’t get any of those breeds.

if you think a retriever sounds like hard work you’re in for a hell of a time with those 3 breeds.

FizzyTango · 09/08/2022 21:07

I have a 3 yo german shepherd, my first dog with absolutly no dog experience. He's the love of my love and I utterly adore him. But the training, the mess, the fact he is massive and powerful. Just no. Don't do it. Especially with a small child in a small house. They need their space and quiet time too or they get too overstimulated.
Not sure why your husband wants a 'protection dog'. Incredibly foolish and stupid imo.

LC84 · 09/08/2022 21:10

Do not, i repeat, do not get any of these breeds!! As an experienced owner and fosterer of bullies and german shepherd, these are not the dogs for your family!!!

Aside from your DH ridiculous notion of having a "protection" dog, I promise you a german shepherd will mean a serious amount of daily sweeping, hoovering, mopping etc EVERY SINGLE DAY!!!

I love my GS to bits but myself and DP are experienced owners who have trained her constantly and consistently and even with that and her having a lovely temperament and therefore being great with kids, Im always 100% vigilant whenever kids are around her because ay the end of the day they are big dogs...

Also echoing what others have said - dogs will misunderstand situations and are not programmed automatically to differentiate between intruders/threat vs kids play fighting...

Please stand your ground on this, it will end in tears 😢

WhereYouLeftIt · 09/08/2022 21:13

gotelltheoldmandowntheroad · 09/08/2022 18:41

Husband wants a German Shepherd, he also likes XL Bully and Rottweiler.

I am open to a dog but...

small house
do not want fur everywhere

We have two cats already so would look into getting a puppy.
We have a big garden and both often work from home so wouldn't leave him alone.

I know about having dogs, had them before, but not too keen, I'm a cat person. Husband and child are keen. Husband spoke about "family protection" but ultimately we are animal lovers but that seems to be a factor for him.

My questions are:

Dogs that won't add the least to my cleaning burden (that's my bag)

Safest around the child (from puppy and trained)

Perhaps that a non-dog person might like best?

Given he's mentioned those three breeds, which would you go for? Child is 6.

"Husband wants a German Shepherd, he also likes XL Bully and Rottweiler."

"Husband spoke about "family protection" but ultimately we are animal lovers but that seems to be a factor for him."

Sounds as if your husband wants a dog that makes him look 'tough'. Which is not a good reason, especially with cats and a six-year-old in the household.

Have you discussed with husband / child who is actually going to be doing the WORK of caring for the dog? (Full disclosure, I got suckered by teen DS into doing a lot more of that than I initially agreed to.) You've mentioned cleaning - if he wants a dog so much, shouldn't he be cleaning up any hair / puppy accidents?

Frankly I'd be vetoing XL and Rottie, for me they are too strong for me to walk. GS, I have a good history with and like, but they'd need to be trained. Is husband going to take puppy GS to obedience classes, or does he think it happens by magic? But, you mentioned "small house" - these dog breeds are all large. Your garden might be large, but the dog will be in the small house too. I suspect your husband has an unrealistic expectation of life with a dog.

In truth, I think having a dog is like having children. You both have to want them, and you don't. The dog that adds the least to your cleaning burden is - no dog at all.

ParvuliThankYouDebbie · 09/08/2022 21:13

To answer your three questions


  1. There isn’t a dog alive that won’t add to your cleaning up/housework burden

  2. There isn’t a dog alive that will be safe around children, from puppy or otherwise, with or without training unless they are endlessly supervised, Your claim that Golden Retrievers are too needy and jumpy suggests you don’t understand what/how to train a dog.

  3. There isn’t a dog alive that a non-dog person will like. If you don’t want a dog, don’t get a dog. For your sake and the dogs sake. And the sake of your home and child.


Finally, given your DH has decided on one of those three breeds I’m assuming he has an absolute fuck ton of years worth of experience in looking after and training those breeds, yes?

thesurrealist · 09/08/2022 21:14

Get a Maine coon cat instead - they are the nearest you can get to a dog as a cat....can even take them out for a walk 😉

Seriously though, you know you are going to be the one who brings up the dog, and you don't want to....so you have the final say in my opinion.

I say this as the slave to a stupid, adorable, ancient Labrador with multiple health problems and who moults fucking everywhere. He is the centre of my universe and I am his. That's how it should be.

WinterMusings · 09/08/2022 21:18

@gotelltheoldmandowntheroad

WHY are you asking about breeds when you don't want a dog!

you're going to end up doing all the work for a status 'tough guy image' for you stupid husband that needs to grow the fuck up!

he doesn't want a family dig/a pet- he just wants a status symbol 'guard' dig & frankly he's an idiot that showing himself up.

do not get a dog you don't want irrespective of which breed.

Cheesesteak · 09/08/2022 21:19

I have 4 dogs, one being a German Shepherd, the others being English Bulldogs and a Bassett Hound.

My DD is 8 months old. The GS is honestly golden. He is the least boisterous around her. He is well trained. It was hard work though and if someone comes to the house we have to introduce him, once he has been introduced he is back to my husbands side and doesn't bother guests. He isn't bothered by dogs or people when taken for his walks (twice a day, along with a rather large back garden to run in).

For context I have two large gardens one for my DD and one for the dogs. My house is also a decent size, with rooms for the dogs so we can separate when we need to.

Please for the sake of your child do not get an XL Bully and if you're not sure please don't get a dog at all.

GiantCheeseMonster · 09/08/2022 21:20

In your circs I wouldn’t get a dog in a million years. But if you do, I wonder if a Boxer might fit the bill - looks “tough” but is soft as butter and a lovely family dog. All dogs need training though and puppies are a total PITA. You don’t quite believe how much of a pain until you get one. Mine is 9mo now and I am only just starting to not regret getting him, and I’m the one who wanted him in the first place!

Lightningrain · 09/08/2022 21:21

You really don’t sound like you want a dog so in your circumstances I would stick to your guns. Everyone in the household will need to be involved, particularly with a puppy and it just won’t work if you don’t want a dog before it even arrives.

if you do decide to go ahead, I echo what PP’s have said about none of those breeds being suitable. I love GSDs but you’d have to know what you were doing to find one that won’t have issues with it’s temperament (they can be nervy) or their backend. I know someone that’s had 4 (each supposedly from a decent breeder) and they’ve had issues with them all. Don’t get me started on the breeding of XL Bullies….

Unless you or your DH want to devote a lot of time to training, physical and mental exercise I wouldn’t be considering any high drive dog. It will be bored and cause problems. If he’s adamant about those breeds then I would really stand your ground about not getting a dog.

Bleepitandbleepitagain · 09/08/2022 21:22

I'm going to go against the grain, to a degree.

If the work is willing to be applied to create a stable dog, and their temperament and "needs" are taken into account, any dog can be a good family dog.

That said, adjustments would need to be made regardless.

I have a tiny chi cross who bullies my big chunky mastin rescue. Do I allow it? No. They are only together when I am over them watching. I have two under 5. Both are lovable idiots with my babies, but do I allow them alone? No. Does it involve different garden times and juggling different aspects? Yes.

Do we all get so much out of it? Of course. We'd all be lost without either of them. But the work isn't miniscule. Navigating kids needs, dogs needs, dogs instincts and training. While also training kids how to be with a dog isn't easy. Its a job in itself.

I juggle it, cos I and my children love them. Its worth it. But I'm always super aware dogs are dogs, so when one kid wants to be in one room and another in another room, I have to navigate that aspect and where the dogs are.

Play dates I have to preplanned walks, and frozen treats to keep them occupied in a crate. Or at least watch them fully just incase the guest kid leaves a gate open as naturally they aren't used to it.

I'm house proud. The work load with a bigger dog clean wise, is immense compared to a smaller one.

The hours for months of sitting up late at night training. Money spent with trainers. Then time with the kids training them how to be with my bigger boy.

None of it was easy. It was bloody exhausting. Also so worth it. I now have two dogs who adore my children and well trained children and dogs.

In the process I picked up a new job of always being super aware. At all times. My old tiny no teeth gummy bear never held the same potential threat as a bigger dog does.

They can be the best thing to happen to your family. But a lot of work. A lot of wanting it to work. A lot of training both dog and kid. And someone wanting a big dog as a protection aspect, likely isn't the wisest choice to own any of those breeds. People like that are the reason they end up having a bad name, as they encourage the bad behaviour.

More chance my big boy would hide if danger showed its face! Cos I never wanted him to realise his strength and despite being little myself, and littler my kids, he respects their word.

category12 · 09/08/2022 21:25

Yes, @Bleepitandbleepitagain but it's unlikely the OP wants to put all that effort in when she doesn't even want a dog, really.

Bleepitandbleepitagain · 09/08/2022 21:31

If the husband is willing, it could work. Although as he wants a protection dog, the training would be damaging.

My husband wasn't into training and had a bit of a mindset of "protection dog" which had to be trained out of him!

But do agree that if the dog isn't wanted, and the only other trainer is someone who is looking for a protective dog, with no training in doing so. Its a recipe for disaster. Especially with a young child.

Dogs need consistency. With all signing from the same hymn sheet. Or you're buggered. Mix that with a strong willed breed, not going to work.

k1233 · 09/08/2022 21:31

I agree with everyone else. The breeds he wants aren't suitable for your lifestyle.

My first dog was a staffy. I had a stalker at the time, lived by myself and wanted a deterrent. He slept in my room and was bloody scary when he barked. Extremely well trained and an absolutely beautiful dog who loved everyone. All bark, but that's all I needed. I had a cat and they were besties. Dog needed a lot of physical activity daily and was very intelligent.

When he got an aggressive cancer I researched his successor. Due to my own injuries, he was getting a bit heavy for me to lift in and out of the car (22kg), so I wanted a dog around 10kg that was stocky with a square head. I googled extensively and came up with a list of possibilities which I read the breed standards for. That's where purebreds are best. If you get one from a reputable breeder, they breed for the traits in the standard and breeds have pretty consistent underlying personality traits. I ended up with a westie. Never thought I'd have a small white fluffy, but he's absolutely perfect.

This is the start of his breed standard:
General Appearance:
Strongly built; deep in chest and back ribs; level back and powerful quarters on muscular legs and exhibiting in a marked degree a great combination of strength and activity.

Characteristics:
Small, active, game, hardy, possessed of no small amount of self-esteem with a varminty appearance. (Oh my is he true to this part!)

Temperament:
Alert, gay, courageous, self-reliant but friendly
^^
He's definitely an alert dog. There is no getting into my house without him letting me know you're there. He's actually bailed someone up on my roof (neighbour retrieving a plane after a test fly), so he can be ferocious. He doesn't have the breed stigma of the staffy but is a good deterrent none the less.

Once I'd selected the breed I did a lot of on line surveys to ensure he'd fit with my lifestyle. I was fortunate my staffy's cancer went into a four year remission. In that time I'd selected a breeder and got on her books. When my staffy passed away I let her know that I'd be looking for a pup in about 9months time (that's how long it takes me to get over a loss and consider a new pet). That fit in with her planned litter and I got my wonderful little westie who I knew was perfect from the moment he stepped into my life.

That's something all pets deserve IMO. To be the most perfect in the eyes of their family.

So, that's a super long post to say I don't think you're ready for a dog if you can't, as a family, agree on an appropriate breed that fits in with your lifestyle. It should never be a five minute impulse buy. It should be a decision with a lot of thought and effort put into breed selection, getting to know the good and bad traits of the breed, finding a breeder and waiting, sometimes 12months or more, for a pup from a reputable breeder.

WiddlinDiddlin · 09/08/2022 21:34

Oh yep, this is very much my lane right now (sorting a breed database to give info to new owners)...

1 - under NO circumstances do you get a dog to act as protection for family. Do not do it, it is fucking dangerous. And certainly not if the plan is to send the dog off to be trained using shock collars and prong collars or if DH is a newbie to bite sports and fancies a crack at them. Just don't.

2 - those breeds, no no and no.

Gsd - damn near impossible to get a healthy one outside of working lines and you absolutely do NOT need or want a working line gsd at this point. So many have dodgy temperaments, do you want to be rehabbing a reactive fearful dog for the next four years?

XL Bully - unhealthy, poor temperament, 99% of breeders I wouldn't buy a soft toy from. Too big, too dribbly, don't do it.

Rottie - again, as puppies these are clumsy and daft, they are FAR too easy to misunderstand, mishandle and fuck up, and the only breeders willing to sell to someone who wants a protection dog, and has a 6 year old in the house is again, someone i wouldn't buy a soft toy from.

Examine EXACTLY what H thinks he wants from a 'protection' dog.

MY goal from a dog that will keep me safe is - big enough that people think twice, superduper incredibly easily trainable such that I can teach a big bark and a growl on cue, but of the temperament that ACTUALLY thinks everyone in the world is a friend.

This way I can cue the scary 'fuck off right now or ill eat your face' behaviours, but should an accident occur, no ones actually getting injured.

The probably with many of the 'protection' breeds is that they're either TERRIFIED and highly likely to make mistakes (GSD, Doberman, this is why police are now using Malinois) OR... they are high as kites off their tits wanting to BITE stuff, and if not intensively trained and super well managed will bite the wrong people (see, police dogs biting the wrong people, quite a lot).

So you want a dog that looks the part, can be trained to bluff, but is in fact safe as a dog can actually be.

If Husband actually wants to do some dog sports and training and isn't just thinking of his ego... then:

Picardy Sheepdog is a good choice, some of the same traits of the GSD, a courageous nature, very easily trained, sufficiently large most people think twice but not so large they're a pain in the arse to house, and being a rough coated shaggy breed they also take people by surprise... and don't shed like a GSD.

Superduper well bred Mastiff - not so easy to train, far better temperament and health than the XL Bully. They do shed needle like hair everywhere that is a pain in the arse to get up and they have a tendancy to smell a bit... cheesey.

Large Munsterlander - from the gundog group, not quite a setter, not a spaniel, bigger and more robust than the latter but less scatty than the former, very trainable, willing to do fun training and dog sports, easily trained to growl and bark on cue.

Briard - similarly capable as the Picardy, their roots are in droving and guarding livestock on the move, very trainable, very loyal to family, something that you would shit your pants if it growled or barked at you on cue. Downside is of course theres a LOT of grooming of one of these (but they don't shed much at all!).

If you discount the protection aspect (and i REALLY would) though I'd recommend a Standard Poodle if someone really wants to do some training, and a Deerhound if you want a big dog that is easy going, doesn't shed much, wouldn't thankyou at ALL for attempting dog sports and is generally very economical on space around the house (yes, I have had one in a very small house!).

I would wait until child is a year or two older for the latter two, and more like three years older for the rest, but you know your child and your ability to ensure child follows instructions and doesn't mither or become magnetized to the dog!

underneaththeash · 09/08/2022 21:35

I think you can still get Pitt Bulls or maybe a Rottweiller too, they’d make equally suitable pets.

WiddlinDiddlin · 09/08/2022 21:36

Meant to add, I love all three of the listed breeds, in the right home, from the right breeders with the right owners who have the right experience.

But the potential for any of those three to go spectacularly wrong if any one of those elements is off is huge!

Twentypast · 09/08/2022 21:36

thesurrealist · 09/08/2022 20:54

None of those are suitable for a first dog unless you have experience.

Dogs have their own personality same as humans so your husbands idea of protection for the family is highly dependent on what the dog is like and, frankly, a guard dog isn't one who I would personally want around young children.

Staffies (assume that's what you mean by bully?) would be the best of those choices in my limited opinion and experience (I've always had labs or collies). Every staffie I've ever met have been gorgeous, happy, wonderful creatures who are wonderful with humans.

I think your husband is a bit stupid and very delusional and I would personally worry about why he wants those breeds of dogs.

Last word from me - and you will know this already - all dogs are what their owners make them. My worry for your family would be that the dog your husband is looking for is not one compatible with family life.

My advice - stick to cats, but if you just have a dog, stick to what you knkw.

An XL Bully is nothing like a staffy. Google them. They are very strong powerful dogs. One killed an woman a couple of months ago.

autienotnaughty · 09/08/2022 21:36

I'd say lurcher or grey hound

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