To think that very few people can manage £4200 energy bills

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This simply isn’t manageable for the majority of people.

Where’s this going to end?

Thanks @EveLe ! I just checked that, the only fixed tariff I can switch to now would be £250/month which seems to be worse. Well done switching earlier!

The price cap only sets out the limit on the amount per kWh and standing charges - so the prices you see quoted are for the average family, but it’s important to remember every ones usage will be different.

so to calculate your personal amount, you need to calculate your annual usage in kWh by the rate your paying per kWh, then add the standing charges.

so you can’t really calculate your own bill amount without knowing your tariff, and whether your on the price cap or not. If your not on the price cap (standard variable tariff) then you need to know what rate you are on and when it runs out to be able to do any meaningful calculations.

For the purposes of your own calculations, I would totally ignore average usage numbers.

Just focus on your own usage per month and how the price you pay per day and per kwh will go up by 82% in Oct-Dec.

Then likely go up by another 19% in Jan-Mar.

And may go up futher beyond that. (Or come down 🙏)

@dreamingbohemian ouch! Mines 240, but that’s up from £150 so not too awful
compared to others.

as awful as it sounds, it may actually be worth considering - Martin Lewis is saying consider fixing if your offered less than a 100% rise!

current predictions are 82% rise in October, and 19% in January, which actually means a total rise of around 120% I believe - because the 19% in January will be on the 82% too, and not just 19% of current if that makes sense!

There are a lot of misconceptions out there about this issue. The U.K is hands down getting shafted with the biggest price rises around the world. The facts are out there. Anything else is just diversion. Prices are going up across the board BUT not like they are in the U.K.

Yes distributors aren’t the ones making huge profits like the big energy resource companies such as BP and Shell. However, if you wake up long enough you’ll see the big distributors are making a tidy profit. E.On have just announced 6 month profits of 3 1/2 billion and projected nearly 7 billion over the year.

So as a rough guide, if your currently paying £100 per month, you’d pay £182 from October, and £215 from January.

But, when you do your calculations it’s important to look at annual usage, rather than what your using now, because usage (particularly gas) will fluctuate depending on time of year.

Thanks again @EveLe @CravenRaven this is so incredibly helpful

I think we can reduce our usage a fair bit so hopefully we will be ok. I'm so sorry for all of you with much higher bills. Surely the government will have to do something!

Sure about that??

Dutch households face highest energy costs in Europe

@Notlabeled however i wonder how much their bills actually are. British energy bills are high and they have least insulated/energy efficient houses i.e. not only price per unit are high but the units you need to keep a house reasonably warm is also high

Yes, you'll be paying less than the headline £4200 figure because your gas is below the assumed average. And you will always be paying less if you reduce usage because you pay by the unit.

We could split atoms to heat the water, but people don't like that either.

It's not the use of nuclear fission to boil water that most people object to (although it's a very old-fashioned way to use a supposedly modern technology). It's the fact that the process produces highly dangerous waste that nobody has developed a safe way of disposing of, and that at the end of its life a nuclear power station site is a massive block of contaminated concrete and soil that could cost several times more to clean up than all of the money paid for all of the electicity it has generated in its lifetime. We're already paying billions of pounds a year for the very slow decommissioning of previous nuclear sites, and there is no limit to how much it could cost in total. With current generator and decontamination technology, nuclear is not a realistic option.

It's the only realistic option for zero emission basel

I spent 15 years living in The Netherlands and I for one would rather heat my house in the UK and full my car here any day of the damned week.

you can sit there and claim “all Dutch houses are cheap to run and are energy-efficient fuelled by unicorn dust” if you want to… or, you can picture the majority of the population living in houses just like yours and dealing with temperatures swinging from -22 up to 40+ (I experienced both).

Mispost.

It's the only reliable option for zero emission baseload.

Wind and solar just are not predictable enough unless we develope some form of mass storage. Even then it's not certain there will be sufficient wind and solar to store for the times of low wind.

The UK is very geologically stable. You simply bury the stuff. It's only expensive to deal with water because no one had built proper long term storage.

@Notlabeled But still the 4th highest in Europe.... a better question would be why is France paying a 1/3rd less than the UK or Italy or Spain all paying less.

And these are countries which, generally speaking, have less wet and cold winters.

A German household pays per unit similar to UK but because their housing is built to a higher standard, pay far less.

Well I just won't be able to afford it.

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We can protest for the good it will do us?

Is Netherlands colder than UK?

In general, the climate in the Netherlands is slightly warmer with drier summers, and colder, slightly drier winters than we experience in the south east of England, the average low temperatures are between 0°C (32°F) and 4.4°C (39.9°F) during the cold season
Netherlands weather - Met Office

Holland like the rest of Europe is experiencing warmer winters than historic averages, i lived in Sweden in the 90s, unbelievably cold... simply doesn't happen now.

Mine has gone up from £75 to £125 to £175 in the past year.

Andrea - is that the same not-cold France, Italy and Spain which have snowy mountainous regions with world-famous ski resorts or a different set of countries? Wet and dreary western France? Wet & cold Milan? Northern Spain like Scotland?

and, as was explained to you very recently. France promising their population cheap energy is not the same has HAVING it and being able to deliver it.

Yes you’re absolutely right! The randstad has entirely the same temperatures as zuid Limburg. Thanks for correcting me - super appreciated. 🙄

Nuclear waste is a solved issue. This myth needs to die.

France has a lot of nuclear energy.

Germany is strip mining their nature reserves to burn very polluting brown coal.

Obviously energy caps and taxes are down to individual governments however selling energy at loss like France is doing right now is simply kicking the can down the road, as the gas is still being paid for, and someone will eventually have to pay for it.

What I don't understand is why noone is asking for the 17% green levy to be scrapped. It would knock almost a 5th of the cost of people's bills.

Have been on a fixed tariff since last November. So lucky that ares didn't go up in April. However from the 3rd November ours is probably going to more than double now😯. We are £350 in credit though, so that'll help somewhat. Wonder if we will be offered a fix but will probably be something stupid.

The Germans are more likely to get actual brownouts and blackouts this winter. They also have a totally different housing market, given most Germans don’t even own their property which can have benefits and pitfalls too.

The problem for the Germans is their economy is largely based on heavy industry. You need a lot of easily dispatchable energy to do that, which means their economy will suffer more than others due to this. You can’t WFH and use a solar panel topped up battery for smelting aluminium at industrial scales.

Half of France’s nuke fleet is MIA right now due to poor maintenance or low water cooling levels (they seem to favour rivers for cooling over cooling towers). This has led to France not exporting energy recently, which a good chunk of Europe relies on, especially Germany with their backwards Energiewende.