To think that very few people can manage £4200 energy bills

[Butterflyfluff]

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This simply isn’t manageable for the majority of people.

Where’s this going to end?

I recall the Tell Sid campaign. The problem is, the UK has gone about this to an extreme that few other nations followed. We sold off the national silverware to get a bumper payout temporarily, but paid no heed to the longer term. This is the essence of our predicament: firesale of assets until all that is left is the NHS.

I don’t think the gov’t could even afford to nationalise these institutions now even if it wanted to.

I don't have any savings. I'm work full time but still get UC, have 3 DC and work from home in a poorly converted house so need heating on a lot in winter just to make it liveable.

I'm fucked.

I expect they have a plan, but they don't think it will be popular or they would have told us already.

Places like hairdressers are also going to suffer. Increasing bills due to high hot water use at the same time as people, quite rightly, cutting back to balance their own budget.

Baldrick: “I have a plan, sir.”
Blackadder: “Really, Baldrick? A cunning and subtle one?”
Baldrick: “Yes, sir.”
Blackadder: “As cunning as a fox who’s just been appointed Professor of Cunning at Oxford University?”

We live in hope that Thick Lizzie will save us all....

Vue cinema is £4.99 a ticket, im not sure they'll survive if they cut the price any lower

Hasn't de pfeffel specifically said he's not going to do anything because he's still sulking about being kicked out? He's only just got back off his holidays anyway.

Priorities, people!

He can’t enact a major policy when in a month he won’t be the guy in charge.

... and completing an expenses form to cover it.

He's off to meet Biden who's barely there. Trump is beginning to make mischief and looks like he could win again if not stopped. This video is chilling as he is nothing if not a consummate showman and these will be the western global themes that he will try and impose American First - the birth of fascism in the Republic.

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He can (and does, as we have seen) do whatever the fuck he wants. He's prime minister and is in charge of the country. If he wanted to work with Truss and Sunak on a handover basis, he could. If he wanted to put together a cross party coalition starting now and continuing with whoever's around in September, he could. If he wanted to kick start international measures in regard to block/future price caps/ energy reserve agreements, he could.

Instead, he's doing fuck all because that's what he's choosing to do.

Boris Johnson is probably thinking ' let the bodies pile high '
He really doesn't care and all Liz truss goes on about are tax cuts.

A lot of the issue, surely, is people were locked into unrealistically cheap contracts. So no having to pay the standard tariff it's a lot more expensive.
Even so, I do wonder what on earth people DO to use so much energy. I thought we used a fair bit but it's minimal compared to these headlines.

I don’t know how else to explain it.

There is a big problem with how the price cap is reported. Even Ofgem's web pages express it only as a capped amount per year of average use, without giving the actual capped amounts for the standing charge and each kWh of electricity/gas. There is not enough effort made to ensure people understand that if they have above-average usage they will pay more than the quoted figure. It's no surprise people are confused.

I've lost track of who the PPs were who assumed they couldn't be charged more than £4,200 pa, so I'll have to reply to nobody in particular...

The current cap is £1,971 a year for typical use, so a monthly direct debit of about £164 to cover this amount exactly over the year. If you use 25% more gas & electricity than the "typical" household you'll still pay the same standing charge but will pay 25% more for actual usage. This would give an annual total of about £2,398, or a monthly direct debit of about £200.

After the October increase, if your energy usage doesn't change, based on Tuesday's estimate (which has since increased significantly) the typical household would be paying £3,359 a year (£280 a month) but the 25% higher-than-average user would be paying about £4,086 a year (£340 a month). With the new predicted figure for the cap on typical usage of £4,200 a year (£350 a month), the 25% higher-than-average user would be paying £5,109 a year (£426 a month).

What is your annual consumption Ariela?

I think Rishi is just saying he'll do the same things he proposed earlier this year and Liz thinks we'll be all right as soon as she cancels the NI hike

Pathetic

Can someone please tell me how you can make a pasta bake from scratch in a slow cooker? Slow cookers are for stews, which served every day makes me think of prison or the workhouse.

Heavy lined curtains can cost up to £1000, do you not understand that the cost of heavily lined curtains will go up as the demand for them rises?

Turning the heating off altogether will cost approx £1000 per year per household. You will be charged standing charges.

But the people paying more will include the Mumsnetters who wash towels after every single use. There is still plenty of scope for cutting down usage in many households.

Exactly. Even if you spent the winter sitting in the dark wearing family sized slankets before washing them in a nearby stream and drying them on a hawthorn bush while never watching TV a la ariela, you'll still be paying more because of the standing charge.

Where the fuck are you buying curtains? Is that you, Carrie?

I had curtains from amazon for about 20 quid which were more than enough. Unless you have 50 windows they will simply not cost anywhere near 1000. But it is an outlay which some moght not afford nonetheless as buying new.

That was to @placemats.

A single person on benefits gets under £400 per month ( there are those with mortgages that dont get rent paid/mortgage support either). This prediction means their entire income virtually on fuel. It simply cannot be done.

People will lose their homes, starve and die. There will be a huge raft of suicides and crime will surge.

This Tory government is a fuck up of epic proportions and are criminally inept. Truss is absolutely batshit and is alienating her own voters. Unlike some posters I think there will be civil unrest and it will begin when the weather gets bad. Long overdue perhaps.

We need a general election.

@GuyMontag sadly some good suggestions for Madam Truss and her ilk - don't tell em, Pike !

Jesus. These are unprecedented price hikes coming on the back of fifteen years of wage stagnation. Just take it for granted that it's going to be a problem that won't be solved by discussions about where to buy cheap curtains and how often you should wash your towels.