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AIBU?

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Another MIL thread...

78 replies

Kellerman · 08/08/2022 12:25

I’m having my 3rd and final baby in a few months. I’ve had 2 previous postpartum periods that neither of went the way I wanted them.

Background: Pre-babies, PIL never overly interested in me, I thought we had a good relationship. Saw them for maybe a few hours every 3 to 4 months, suited me just fine. hey live a 2.5-3hr drive away, my mum lives 10 mins away and watches the kids one day week as we both work.

PP1:
DS1 born, inlaws went from pretty disinterested in us to overbearing insanity overnight. I had 6 of them show up in the hospital the morning after my csection, I was in agony, I’d hemorrhaged,on morphine etc etc. The night I got discharged from hospital after my csection, 3 days pp, they rocked up with my DHs BIL x2 + girlfriends (who I'd met twice), an aunt & uncle who all slept in our house on couches and floors for the next couple of weeks on rotation until I lost it and got DH to tell them to leave, I barely got near my newborn in this time. It was awful and they were back again in a week for more visits. All I wanted was my mum to look after me and make me soup but she couldn’t get near me because we were overrun, literally no more seats to sit on in the house etc. I saw my mum for less than an hour in total those first few early weeks. I’m very bitter about this.

PIL started inviting themselves to stay in our home for between 3-5 days every 3-4 weeks minimum & often would bring extra people we didn't know were coming. They would spend these visits ordering us around, taking over my baby as if they were the parents, undermining me, ignoring what I told them about baby and doing what they wanted anyway, treating us like kids (we are in our 30s and very independent). I was very overwhelmed with all the additional cooking, food shopping, cleaning and laundry that these visits caused.

PP2: June 2020 – peak lockdown.
The first lockdown started to lift 3 weeks after DS2 was born (3 glorious weeks of just our little family). Six of them came to visit for the day and stayed for 7 hours. I was struggling with a reflux baby, getting maybe 2/3 hours broken sleep a night, had an infection in my wound and was on 2 sets of antibiotics and various painkillers. I can’t say I enjoyed one minute of their visit.

3 weeks later, when I am 6 weeks pp, lockdown starts to lift again. I’m still in a bad way and babys reflux has gotten worse. They say they want to come and take their campervan to visit and stay with us (they wanted to sleep in the driveway but I said no and made them book a caravan park, only 5 mins away). I tell them that the most we can do is a weekend, Friday to Sunday (because mentally, emotionally and physically that is all I can cope with), MIL says ‘No we are coming for 2 weeks’. During those 15 days of their lovely holiday they did not lift one finger to help. They didn’t even ask if I needed help, they sat around drinking tea for 12 hours straight in my house. Not one load of laundry done, no quick whip round with the hoover, no meals made for us, absolutely nothing. All they did was order me about, tell me rather than ask me their plans with toddler, repeatedly tell me to go out (go walk the dog, go to tesco, go out) and leave my kids with them, hold newborn and not give him back (don’t worry I grew balls after my first son and had no issues just snatching him off her). Think of all the usual overbearing crap and they have done it.
I remember going out with my newborn one day because I couldn’t face them and I ended up sitting in the car with him for hours and hours in a carpark because I just could not face going back and having to speak to them. They literally decided to take a 2 week holiday at a postpartum womans house against her wishes, I mean, wtf?!

So now my question, PP3 coming up. AIBU in telling them to GTF out of my postpartum period this time round? I think I could maybe cope with them for a 1 hour visit maybe after the first 2 weeks, but if they are having to travel then I don’t know if this is completely unfair of me?

They literally do no leave our house unless I spell it out for them, which recently I’ve had no issues doing by texting them beforehand and saying ‘visit will be ending at 4pm’. Previously they would stay until 11pm or so even after I’d gone to bed. They don’t take hints and have zero concept of acceptable boundaries.

They have pulled so much crap since my kids were born I have zero tolerance for their BS now. We have a pretty rocky and uncomfortable relationship since I started standing up to myself a couple of years ago and they do not like the new dynamic (or me).

OP posts:
Ihaveamagicwand · 08/08/2022 12:31

Where is your DH in all of this?

londonlass71 · 08/08/2022 12:33

Wow. Why is your partner not dealing with them? He should be the one telling them and telling them firmly.

Lovelycheesegromit · 08/08/2022 12:34

Sounds like a DH problem rather than a mil problem.

Kellerman · 08/08/2022 12:35

He is supportive but also still has that small part of him that hates upsetting his parents (he was conditioned to not say no to them for 30+ years). We've had a lot of therapy the last couple of years which has totally opened his eyes. Ultimately he knows what an awful effect they have had on my mental health over the past few years and he making that his top priority to protect my mental health.

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Cognacsoft · 08/08/2022 12:40

Dont tell them the baby is born and if they turn up don’t unlock the door.
I’m not joking.
I think I would have called the police to remove them.
Your dh needs a kick up his ass.

MrsMcisaCt · 08/08/2022 12:44

I don't understand why you've put up with all this. It's made me feel angry just reading it. You need to stand up to your in laws or they'll just keep doing what they like.

Kellerman · 08/08/2022 12:59

MrsMcisaCt · 08/08/2022 12:44

I don't understand why you've put up with all this. It's made me feel angry just reading it. You need to stand up to your in laws or they'll just keep doing what they like.

I've not been putting up with it for the past 2 years. I've started standing up to them and ignoring their many reasonable demands.

My question isn't 'Should I put up with them during my pp?' but rather 'How long am I justified in telling them to stay away from me for'.

Oh don't worry they are not getting anywhere near me for the first 2 weeks. I'd prefer 3 months tbh.

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OfficiallyBroken · 08/08/2022 13:03

I voted YABU because you continue to have babies with a man that doesn't support or respect you. Your husband is a massive part of the problem here, his failure to uphold healthy boundaries with his family is going to make you look the unreasonable one - this is going to keep getting worse until he decides who is more important...you or his mother/father and then the shit will really hit the fan.

Rowen32 · 08/08/2022 13:03

Literally do not let them in the door, I'm serious. You're asking 'are you being unfair' which says to me you're still feeling bad/guilty/obliged etc That is horrendous behaviour, horrendous, I would not be letting them into my home again and I don't say that lightly, I'm so serious, do not let them in. Say they're not welcome based on everything that has happened before and then do not engage, don't text back, answer phone calls. You've made an effort to change things, I appreciate that but it's not enough, you can't have them inside your home, that's absolutely horrendous, I am so shocked.

LC84 · 08/08/2022 13:03

I would get DH to tell them no visits until you feel ready (dont specify when..) and if they force it and turn up just bugger off to your mums with the kids until DH grows a pair and decides to choose you and the kids over his parents, who quite frankly sound HIDEOUS

Bonheurdupasse · 08/08/2022 13:07

3 months OP

Bonheurdupasse · 08/08/2022 13:08

And tell them if they'll complain it's another 3 months.

MrsMcisaCt · 08/08/2022 13:09

Well you have my sympathy. My FiL is the type that just turns up at the door and expects you to look after him. I absolutely hated it when my DS was a baby and I was struggling with breastfeeding etc. I did stand up to him in the end, but to be honest he's always 'off' with me now, so we don't have a good relationship. I think you should put them off for as long as possible and try to get your DH on your side a bit more. Sorry, not much help, just to say i understand how hard it is.

EVHead · 08/08/2022 13:09

Paragraph after paragraph after paragraph and no mention of DH.

There’s your problem right there.

Triffid1 · 08/08/2022 13:10

You've posted about this before I think. And from memory, if I'm thinking of the right thread/s, your DH was sympathetic but useless. At one point you were having to make up beds and move your children out of their room to facilitate BIL sleeping gin there or something while your Dh was swanning off to work?

Your DH might be getting his eyes opened but he's clearly still basically leaving you to deal with this shit. It's very simple - you tell him what you can and can't cope with. And he manages it. They come over. After an hour, he stands up and says, "Right, mum, I think we better leave Kellerman and the baby to have a rest so let's take the older two to the park" or "Right everyone, it's time for us to get things calming down over here. Do you want to come back a about 4?"

Otherwise, I'd be packing yourself and the DC up and simply leaving before they arrive.

GodspeedJune · 08/08/2022 13:12

It sounds absolutely awful for you! Well done for setting visiting times and you’re definitely not unreasonable to keep the visits short and sweet, no matter how far they’ve travelled. Don’t let them come until you feel ready, no matter how long that is - if at all.

Unanananana · 08/08/2022 13:14

God knows why you'd continue having babies with someone so spineless and disrespectful of your mental health.

You have a massive DH problem. And I agree with the PP who advises to decamp to your mums when the ILs rock up. Take all the kids and let your wet DH deal with his family.

DifficultBloodyWoman · 08/08/2022 13:15

You (or more accurately, your DH) either do as @Triffid1 suggests, or you decide you have had enough and pack up the children and baby and head to your mum’s because you have already made plans with her. I’m suggesting that because you have made it sound as though she is thoroughly on your side. If she is not, just that you have other plans and book yourself into a local premier inn or similar on your way.

Kellerman · 08/08/2022 13:16

EVHead · 08/08/2022 13:09

Paragraph after paragraph after paragraph and no mention of DH.

There’s your problem right there.

Not a very useful comment. In fact none of the comments saying 'DH issue' are useful at all. I barely mentioned him because I'd already written an essay length post! My husband isn't perfect but he has improved exponentially since I started putting my foot down to everyone and we started working together. Only this week he told them no to another upcoming visit without hesitation, which would have left him quaking in his boots 4 years ago.

I appreciate in an ideal world everybodys husband would deal with this crap and everything would work out perfectly. But for goodness sake, I'm a grown woman so why can't I stand up for myself a bit? We should be encouraging women to become assertive and confident with issues like this, they don't just have to pass it on to their husbands. Regardless if it is me or DH who deals with this and tells them they are not welcome, I am going to get the blame for it anyway - not him. And you know what, IDGAF and I find it empowering now to stand up to them myself.

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StClare101 · 08/08/2022 13:20

Announce the birth when you are good and ready. Take the kids and go stay at your mums place if they turn up uninvited.

Triffid1 · 08/08/2022 13:23

Okay, if your question is just whether or not you can ban them for 3 weeks... many people will say yes. Personally, i think that's unfair. But I think it's perfectly reasonable to spell out the boundaries you are putting in place... "You can visit but for no more than x hours per day/for x number of days" and then enforce it by telling them to leave when the time is up.

With two older dc though, I'd be inclined to suggest that if they want to come down and help they can take the older two on excursions and see you and the baby for an hour before/after each one.

Brigante9 · 08/08/2022 13:25

Honestly, I’d tell them how bloody awful they were for the first two babies and give them a time limit of when they can come and for how long per day etc. They sound awful.

CatRatSplat · 08/08/2022 13:25

Meet up only outside the house, when you are ready. Then you can leave and go home to peace.

Don't let them in. If they appear on the doorstep give them a time and place away as before from house "I'll see you at x at xam if you want to. Or "not convenient now".

DashboardConfessional · 08/08/2022 13:28

We should be encouraging women to become assertive and confident with issues like this, they don't just have to pass it on to their husbands.

It's not a suggestion because he's got a penis. It's because they are his parents and ultimately he is the gatekeeper. I don't expect my DH to deal with my mum on my behalf, who is difficult at the moment.

I agree with @Triffid1

Rowen32 · 08/08/2022 13:29

It isn't unfair at all to tell them you don't want to see them - I can't agree with that previous poster. They have made their bed with their horrendous behaviour, you need to mind yourself now. Take 3 weeks, take 6 weeks, as long as you need. I definitely agree with poster who said meet them elsewhere, I really wouldn't let them in.