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AIBU?

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Another MIL thread...

78 replies

Kellerman · 08/08/2022 12:25

I’m having my 3rd and final baby in a few months. I’ve had 2 previous postpartum periods that neither of went the way I wanted them.

Background: Pre-babies, PIL never overly interested in me, I thought we had a good relationship. Saw them for maybe a few hours every 3 to 4 months, suited me just fine. hey live a 2.5-3hr drive away, my mum lives 10 mins away and watches the kids one day week as we both work.

PP1:
DS1 born, inlaws went from pretty disinterested in us to overbearing insanity overnight. I had 6 of them show up in the hospital the morning after my csection, I was in agony, I’d hemorrhaged,on morphine etc etc. The night I got discharged from hospital after my csection, 3 days pp, they rocked up with my DHs BIL x2 + girlfriends (who I'd met twice), an aunt & uncle who all slept in our house on couches and floors for the next couple of weeks on rotation until I lost it and got DH to tell them to leave, I barely got near my newborn in this time. It was awful and they were back again in a week for more visits. All I wanted was my mum to look after me and make me soup but she couldn’t get near me because we were overrun, literally no more seats to sit on in the house etc. I saw my mum for less than an hour in total those first few early weeks. I’m very bitter about this.

PIL started inviting themselves to stay in our home for between 3-5 days every 3-4 weeks minimum & often would bring extra people we didn't know were coming. They would spend these visits ordering us around, taking over my baby as if they were the parents, undermining me, ignoring what I told them about baby and doing what they wanted anyway, treating us like kids (we are in our 30s and very independent). I was very overwhelmed with all the additional cooking, food shopping, cleaning and laundry that these visits caused.

PP2: June 2020 – peak lockdown.
The first lockdown started to lift 3 weeks after DS2 was born (3 glorious weeks of just our little family). Six of them came to visit for the day and stayed for 7 hours. I was struggling with a reflux baby, getting maybe 2/3 hours broken sleep a night, had an infection in my wound and was on 2 sets of antibiotics and various painkillers. I can’t say I enjoyed one minute of their visit.

3 weeks later, when I am 6 weeks pp, lockdown starts to lift again. I’m still in a bad way and babys reflux has gotten worse. They say they want to come and take their campervan to visit and stay with us (they wanted to sleep in the driveway but I said no and made them book a caravan park, only 5 mins away). I tell them that the most we can do is a weekend, Friday to Sunday (because mentally, emotionally and physically that is all I can cope with), MIL says ‘No we are coming for 2 weeks’. During those 15 days of their lovely holiday they did not lift one finger to help. They didn’t even ask if I needed help, they sat around drinking tea for 12 hours straight in my house. Not one load of laundry done, no quick whip round with the hoover, no meals made for us, absolutely nothing. All they did was order me about, tell me rather than ask me their plans with toddler, repeatedly tell me to go out (go walk the dog, go to tesco, go out) and leave my kids with them, hold newborn and not give him back (don’t worry I grew balls after my first son and had no issues just snatching him off her). Think of all the usual overbearing crap and they have done it.
I remember going out with my newborn one day because I couldn’t face them and I ended up sitting in the car with him for hours and hours in a carpark because I just could not face going back and having to speak to them. They literally decided to take a 2 week holiday at a postpartum womans house against her wishes, I mean, wtf?!

So now my question, PP3 coming up. AIBU in telling them to GTF out of my postpartum period this time round? I think I could maybe cope with them for a 1 hour visit maybe after the first 2 weeks, but if they are having to travel then I don’t know if this is completely unfair of me?

They literally do no leave our house unless I spell it out for them, which recently I’ve had no issues doing by texting them beforehand and saying ‘visit will be ending at 4pm’. Previously they would stay until 11pm or so even after I’d gone to bed. They don’t take hints and have zero concept of acceptable boundaries.

They have pulled so much crap since my kids were born I have zero tolerance for their BS now. We have a pretty rocky and uncomfortable relationship since I started standing up to myself a couple of years ago and they do not like the new dynamic (or me).

OP posts:
SarahSissions · 08/08/2022 16:09

You can tell them to stay away for however long it takes you to feel ready. At least two or three weeks.

then I would frame the visit as the more they want then the longer it will be before you are ready to do that level of hosting so it’s up to them how much they want to see baby.

if they want to come for 2 hours they are welcome at two weeks. If they want a half day then you aren’t up to that for a month. If it’s only worth them coming if they come for a day, then that’s absolutely fine, but you’ll only be ready for that at two months.

id also book them in the afternoon so they can’t overstay their welcome

escapingthecity · 08/08/2022 16:10

That sounds unbelievably stressful OP. I'd still be raging about their behaviour too. No more overnight stays. They can stay in a hotel if they want to come for longer than a couple of hours. And absolutely no springing additional visitors on you who you're not expecting.

Are they any good with the older kids? Would they take them out so you could sleep/just have time with the new baby?

Kellerman · 08/08/2022 16:14

SuperPets · 08/08/2022 16:00

But for goodness sake, I'm a grown woman so why can't I stand up for myself a bit?

A good question, one we're all asking. You haven't, and neither has your husband.

My God you have no idea how much standing up for myself I have done in the past 2 years or how much my husband has done for us either. My MIL is a bully, a matriarch and hadn't heard the word 'no' until 2 years ago when I started saying it a LOT. The progress we have made as a team sorting this mess out is astounding. But ultimately my husband loves his parents, because they are his parents, and therefore unfortunately it's not just as black and white as 'Go NC, never see them ever again'.

OP posts:
Tandora · 08/08/2022 16:15

Kellerman · 08/08/2022 13:16

Not a very useful comment. In fact none of the comments saying 'DH issue' are useful at all. I barely mentioned him because I'd already written an essay length post! My husband isn't perfect but he has improved exponentially since I started putting my foot down to everyone and we started working together. Only this week he told them no to another upcoming visit without hesitation, which would have left him quaking in his boots 4 years ago.

I appreciate in an ideal world everybodys husband would deal with this crap and everything would work out perfectly. But for goodness sake, I'm a grown woman so why can't I stand up for myself a bit? We should be encouraging women to become assertive and confident with issues like this, they don't just have to pass it on to their husbands. Regardless if it is me or DH who deals with this and tells them they are not welcome, I am going to get the blame for it anyway - not him. And you know what, IDGAF and I find it empowering now to stand up to them myself.

How is it empowering to women to blame everything on your MIL? Straight out of the sexists handbook that one…

SarahSissions · 08/08/2022 16:18

How is it empowering to women to blame everything on your MIL? Straight out of the sexists handbook that one…

because it’s her PIL that are turning up and one of them has squeezed a watermelon out of their hoo-ha so should have a bit of sympathy as to how OP is feeling.

SuperPets · 08/08/2022 16:20

Kellerman · 08/08/2022 16:14

My God you have no idea how much standing up for myself I have done in the past 2 years or how much my husband has done for us either. My MIL is a bully, a matriarch and hadn't heard the word 'no' until 2 years ago when I started saying it a LOT. The progress we have made as a team sorting this mess out is astounding. But ultimately my husband loves his parents, because they are his parents, and therefore unfortunately it's not just as black and white as 'Go NC, never see them ever again'.

ah come on! You're on here asking us if its ok to not have them come visit....that's not massive progress/

Tandora · 08/08/2022 16:21

SarahSissions · 08/08/2022 16:18

How is it empowering to women to blame everything on your MIL? Straight out of the sexists handbook that one…

because it’s her PIL that are turning up and one of them has squeezed a watermelon out of their hoo-ha so should have a bit of sympathy as to how OP is feeling.

Amazing- so she’s more to blame simply because she’s a woman? I think you just perfectly demonstrated my point.

FangsForTheMemory · 08/08/2022 16:22

3 months and if they turn up, do not open the door.

Lamaze990 · 08/08/2022 16:24

I suspect people are asking what your DH is doing because it sounds like they don't really respect or even like you. You've provided grandkids that's it. There're far more likely to listen and back off if it also comes from your husband.

SarahSissions · 08/08/2022 16:30

@Tandora no, but people who have been through similar experiences usually have a greater ability to empathise with others going through the same experience and should advocate for them.

before I had my children I thought the pregnancy would be the difficult part. No one prepared me for the relentless exhaustion that followed.

as women we should advocate for each other, there’s nothing sexist in that

CurbsideProphet · 08/08/2022 16:32

I'm often baffled by these sorts of threads. Your DH is a grown man with a wife and children. Your comfort should be his priority after giving birth, not pandering to his parents. He's had plenty of time to pull himself together. Why was he letting you making cups of tea etc after giving birth / surgery / infection etc?

The obvious answer is you don't tell them when you're in labour so they can't show up. If they do show up because they've got wind you've had your baby then your H can put his big boy pants on and say "no we will tell you when we're ready for visitors". They are his parents so he should be the one to manage their interactions with you.

Kellerman · 08/08/2022 16:37

CurbsideProphet · 08/08/2022 16:32

I'm often baffled by these sorts of threads. Your DH is a grown man with a wife and children. Your comfort should be his priority after giving birth, not pandering to his parents. He's had plenty of time to pull himself together. Why was he letting you making cups of tea etc after giving birth / surgery / infection etc?

The obvious answer is you don't tell them when you're in labour so they can't show up. If they do show up because they've got wind you've had your baby then your H can put his big boy pants on and say "no we will tell you when we're ready for visitors". They are his parents so he should be the one to manage their interactions with you.

I never said I was making them cups of tea etc. Either he was or they make their own tea. I refuse. I've also not cooked or cleaned for them coming in over 2 years, that is all DHs responsibility if he wants them to visit.

OP posts:
Houseofbloodymen · 08/08/2022 16:38

This sounds utterly horrendous. I'd move to your mums. Or hire some sort of security. But a conversation is needed. Sometimes trying to help too much is stressful let alone rocking up and not helping at all!!

Kellerman · 08/08/2022 16:41

SarahSissions · 08/08/2022 16:30

@Tandora no, but people who have been through similar experiences usually have a greater ability to empathise with others going through the same experience and should advocate for them.

before I had my children I thought the pregnancy would be the difficult part. No one prepared me for the relentless exhaustion that followed.

as women we should advocate for each other, there’s nothing sexist in that

Absolutely, this is not about sexism. MIL has had 3 children so she is well aware of birth/recovery etc.

I am not blaming MIL because she is a woman. FIL is an enabler but without her leading this show, we wouldn't have any issues with him. It is not a case of sexism, it is a case of an entitled and selfish grandmother putting her wants above the new mothers needs.

OP posts:
Tandora · 08/08/2022 16:49

Kellerman · 08/08/2022 16:41

Absolutely, this is not about sexism. MIL has had 3 children so she is well aware of birth/recovery etc.

I am not blaming MIL because she is a woman. FIL is an enabler but without her leading this show, we wouldn't have any issues with him. It is not a case of sexism, it is a case of an entitled and selfish grandmother putting her wants above the new mothers needs.

you don’t think there’s anything sexist about the way that MIL’s are always Painted as mean and interfering and DILS as controlling, entitled and rude? How MILs and DILs are always pitted against each other and men are written out of the story as innocent bystanders (as you did by failing to even mention your DH is your OP)?
are you a mother of sons? If so I hope you are able to feel more empathy and express more solidarity with your DIL than you are for your MIL.

RedRobyn2021 · 08/08/2022 16:52

You must dearly love your husband to tolerate his family, my god. What a horrible woman your mother in law sounds like.

Holly60 · 08/08/2022 16:57

I think it's a shame you titled your thread 'another MIL one' when really it's about a whole group of people (I'm not denying they sound AWFUL).

It is also most CERTAINLY about your husband. You seem to be making autonomous decisions about what to do and how to do it rather than it being a joint decision about what you both want and how you are both going to achieve it.

In this thread (it might not be the case in real life) you seem to have fallen into the trap of pitting yourself directly against your mother in law. Why do this??

To be honest, if she is such a matriarch, one way you could get around having the hoards of people would be to tell her that you only want HER to visit, as you like her the best (or words to that effect). I'm guessing she could probably organise to keep the others away if she felt like it Wink

Icanstillrecallourlastsummer · 08/08/2022 16:59

So your husband is welcoming them, cleaning for them, making tea for them. He is hardly taking your corner with that behaviour I'd say.

Enough4me · 08/08/2022 17:03

I'd say no visits in the hospital and house full stop thank you.
When they ask why, say it's because we have 3DC and they are our priority. Explain when DC3 is a month or so old you'll invite them around for a drink (DH can do) and before then doesn't work for your family.
No staying over as you can't fit them. No further explanation as she'd only twist what you say.
It's either that or your stress levels and resentment will destroy your relationship with your DH.

Kellerman · 08/08/2022 17:04

Icanstillrecallourlastsummer · 08/08/2022 16:59

So your husband is welcoming them, cleaning for them, making tea for them. He is hardly taking your corner with that behaviour I'd say.

My God we have (TOGETHER) managed to get visits down to one afternoon (4 hours) every 4-6 weeks. I think we've done pretty well

OP posts:
edenhills · 08/08/2022 17:07

StClare101 · 08/08/2022 13:20

Announce the birth when you are good and ready. Take the kids and go stay at your mums place if they turn up uninvited.

This

GG1986 · 08/08/2022 17:13

If your husband can't stand up to them and say a firm no, then you need to. They sound horrendous! No way would I allow this in my own home, and absolutely not after just having a baby.

MagsR2356 · 08/08/2022 17:20

Hey I could have written a lot of this myself!
I had almost identical issues ,although it’s just mil on her own but she’s done almost everything you have mentioned!
-it’s left me bitter and hateful towards her.

im sorry though, but I do agree with a lot of pp that it’s a dh problem as much as the in laws.
the same was pointed out to me , when I posted something about it years ago.
eye opener for me!

But i had a good heart to heart talk about it with him and we agreed on some boundaries and what we could agree was acceptable for both of us!
and then I left it up to him
and despite him also being a conditioned, to never say no to mummy boy
and never speak up - or against in anyway, he did actually do it!! but in a much soft way compared to what I would have done.

so for example- we decided that daily visits of no more than 10am to 4pm was acceptable and average of 4 weekly intervals was manageable.
(she was staying Thursday to Monday every fortnight prior)

she’s actually toxic , passive aggressive and controlling ,so I think it was more than reasonable to set boundaries.

she’d also take over a few days old ,breastfeeding baby and try to bottle feed them! I now stand up for myself and knowing my husband has my back means a heck of a lot.

so my advice is to speak to him and see what he wants and thinks is acceptable too. and then come up with a plan and stick to it no compromise, see if he wants them to meet baby in first weeks then agree it has to be for two hours only (example) and they stay not with you.
& not no longer and can’t just turn up etc.

be strong but get him onboard, as it’s his issue too and I really do feel,it’s his problem to sort and he should have your back 💯

you shouldn’t have to worry about it and let it spoil your pregnancy

absolutely do not let them ruin your special time afterwards and you enjoy your baby!
good luck and let us know how you get on!

MinnieGirl · 08/08/2022 17:30

Kellerman · 08/08/2022 12:59

I've not been putting up with it for the past 2 years. I've started standing up to them and ignoring their many reasonable demands.

My question isn't 'Should I put up with them during my pp?' but rather 'How long am I justified in telling them to stay away from me for'.

Oh don't worry they are not getting anywhere near me for the first 2 weeks. I'd prefer 3 months tbh.

Then 3 months it is!
Your family, your rules.
If they say no we are coming you then say well we won’t be into we won’t open the door and if you keep knocking we will phone the police.
To be honest, I would be going very LC with these people. And the minute they start telling you what to do you tell them to leave.

Sunshine3589 · 08/08/2022 18:07

I think a 1 hour visit for a 5 to 6 hour round trip is a bit harsh. Could you manage the usual 4 hour visit once a month? If you are breastfeeding could you make an excuse about feeling uncomfortable and spend at least an hour of that in your bedroom? Or even just say you are tired and go for a lie down? You MIL sounds awful. Good luck