To think the government needs to something quickly to help families financially supporting children at Uni.

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Mortgages are going up( ours will by 300 when we remortgage v soon), energy bills will be going up hugely, ditto food, petrol etc…. Already making all the savings we can.

We have got to start paying our child £500 a month to live on from October on top. It was already going to be a squeeze.Her bills will be rocketing too so who knows if what we were planning to give her will be enough.

We don’t have a money tree and have 2 other children due to start Uni in the next few years. I know the poorest and the richest will be ok re funding for their child at Uni but there is a massive band in the middle who won’t. Whether or not you can go to Uni shouldn’t be decided on parental income( thanks Tories) but those already there and just starting are going to be in dire straits as are the families supporting them.

You were trying to give the impression that they would be able to get free prescriptions by stating that they can apply. Otherwise why would you say it in a paragraph about students not needing much money to live?
I would hope that the fact it is mentioned on the NHS website would mean that some students will get it but I don’t think it's a given.

You were trying to give the impression that they would be able to get free prescriptions by stating that they can apply. Otherwise why would you say it in a paragraph about students not needing much money to live?
I would hope that the fact it is mentioned on the NHS website would mean that some students will get it but I don’t think it's a given.

They can if they are in fulltime education and under 19 so some will get it for all or most of the first year, otherwise it is means tested I think. It is worth trying to get a check up with your dentist before going off to uni as it will be free for 18 year olds.

If you actually bothered to read my posts you would see the first time I mentioned prescription charges on this thread, at 14.35, was in reply to another poster who listed needing to pay for prescriptions within the £500 per month the OP mentioned. My first post that included mentioning prescription charges is all in one paragraph as it was all related to the things the pp listed in one sentence in their post.

Absolutely nowhere did I post all students, or even most, will be eligible. I posted those on a low income and with little or no savings can because, well, those students on a low income and with little or no savings are eligible.

University (other than medicine) is very limited weeks.
Even if you don't work term time, you have from may to mid September, four weeks at Christmas and four weeks at Easter.
Students who don't work at all have nothing to talk about in interviews even for graduate jobs.

Working and saving is an important life skill

Students who don't work at all have nothing to talk about in interviews even for graduate jobs.

There's a definite value in working but I don't think this is true. You need to do something with your time to talk about, not sure how waiting tables is supposed to get you an engineering job.

I got my first job, my ideal position, having only done voluntary work, talking about my relevant hobbies, my degree, and charisma. I had never done paid work before because of childcare and a bad living situation a while before. I did volunteering for the flexibility.

So yes, paid work is great, but it's not true that if you don't work your useless and have no value. You still have potential.

My son has a deficit of almost 2k between his halls of residence cost and his loan.
I earn 28k and his father receives ESA. That's hardly a high income. Thankfully he works and was able to pay his first two months accommodation,£1400, out of his summer earnings. He paid a deposit of £250 in June, that's a lot of money considering he's not received a penny of his student loan yet.
During the summer he's been working about 30 hrs per week at minimum wage.
It's tough and I wouldn't even consider myself to be from a middle income family.

Times they are a changing

Kids will Have to be more self sufficient or get a different job, go to college rather than uni.

Hopefully this will force unis to stop charging outrageous prices for a course that can be learnt on the job.

It's a ridiculous situation that needs to change

I'd happily support and fully
Fund doctors nurses and other medical staff from our taxes.

I'd also support funds and bursary's for teachers and other much needed professionals.

Other courses such as hotel management. Vet nursing. Dental nursing plus hundreds more jobs were all learnt on the job 30 years ago with some backed up by a part time collage course. We need to go back to that model ASAP

Absolutely nowhere did I post all students, or even most, will be eligible. I posted those on a low income and with little or no savings can because, well, those students on a low income and with little or no savings are eligible.

So you weren’t suggesting that most students are exempt from prescription charges and it was just a complete coincidence that you mentioned students can apply for exemption in the same paragraph that you stated students can live on less than £500?🙄

So you weren’t suggesting that most students are exempt from prescription charges

If you read the post, which I have quoted for you since you seem to be trying to say I posted something I didn’t, I posted “DC can apply for free prescriptions if they have a low income and no/limited savings.” Did you miss the “if they have a low income and no/limited savings” part? I don’t know how anyone can interpret that as me saying most students are exempt. I didn’t say most or all students are.

and it was just a complete coincidence that you mentioned students can apply for exemption in the same paragraph that you stated students can live on less than £500?🙄

No, not coincidence, but not what you are suggesting. It was a reply to a pp who included everything in my reply in one paragraph. Why would I break my reply down into multiple paragraphs when they didn’t?

Agreed with your first sentence, and obviously for those students they should get whatever help is possible and perhaps the expectations can be different.

As for the 2nd paragraph, again you are right that people shouldn't have to live like that, PGCE's are challenging enough as it is without working as well.

However the OP's case is super far removed from that, and the idea that students should be given a large bail out financially when there are far more challenging issues out there. Most (yes even those with MH challenges) should be able to do some form of work, whether its P/T in term time or working in the long holidays, its both beneficial for their future understanding of what work even is (commitments, organisation of self, time, etc) and gives them money to then spend how they want to where they want to. I earnt it, so I'll spend it.

The OP is effectively enabling a form of work shyness. Not wanting to travel to work because it might be difficult (sadly many people have to travel to work, get used to it) or complaining about a lack of jobs due to a future recession that is not here right this moment in the job figures is again just looking for excuses.

I had to work during uni, many others I know back then had to work through uni, many I know right now are working through uni. Its something that most will just have to accept if they don't want to live like a pauper. If they chose not to work, well then they will have to live within the very limited means as best as they can...unless the parents will bail them out which is then totally their choice, but don't complain online about that choice.

My reply that I quoted in my last post was exactly like you have some here. I read a post that was all in one paragraph and responded with one paragraph. You read my post that was all in one paragraph and replied with one paragraph. If you are saying mine should have been separate paragraphs then surely this reply of your’s should have been too.

*”you have done here” not “you have some here”.

There is clearly not going to be money for this and it will have a knock on effect on who can go. I’d be encouraging kids to have a gap year which offers 15 months to
work and save. Then jobs through holidays. But far from easy bag just encourages elitism.

I was fortunate to get a full student grant back in the days when you could actually live on the grant, but times have changed, and the proportion of young people going into higher education is now so much larger that it would not be feasible for all of them to be publicly funded. It is the new norm for students to do some paid work while at university and also in the gap between school and university. The Long Summer of Loafing Around has become an anachronism, like the Grand Tour.

Other courses such as hotel management. Vet nursing. Dental nursing plus hundreds more jobs were all learnt on the job 30 years ago with some backed up by a part time collage course. We need to go back to that model ASAP

I know that this was a typo but I am entertained by the prospect of all those dental nurses working on their collage projects to supplement the learning on the job. I’m envisioning a Dracula theme for the collage.

I can see that the OP hasn’t posted for a while. I assume that she has fled the thread in embarrassment after posting this.

I can’t believe that anyone would think, ha, this will show those rotters who accused ME of being entitled!

Getting a holiday /Saturday type job will make her much more employable in the long run.

I took a gap year and worked for a year to save up to go to university, then worked every single holiday throughout. A lot of my friends worked in term time too.

My better graduates are always the ones who have some real experience of work.

I haven’t read the whole thread, but I’m assuming they will have to get a part time job.

I’m a nurse and we had to work full time on placement in six week blocks. We all had part time jobs.

😂😂

I would have loved to do a bit of collage during my nursing degree!

I think that most students need to work regardless whether they be receive the full loan (or loan plus expected parental contribution). I don't think it's fair that students whose parents are relatively high earners should have to work more because they receive a lower loan than parents on low income.
I personally saved for many years because I knew we would be expected to contribute and I think other parents should do the same. Unless your income has suddenly increased, it shouldn't be a surprise you need to contribute OP. If you had saved, the current cost of living crisis wouldn't make much difference.

What universities will do, is keep charging the high fees and fill the universities with foreign students from countries that value further education.

I am always astounded by the general attitude in the UK that further education is mainly some kind of vanity project. Why does education stop beign valuable at 18? Globally, a less educated population will only make the UK less competitive.

But don't worry, you can easily learn to be a space engineer "on the job" with some part time college hours 🙄

I’m surprised that OP thinks she will be better off if her dd and all others like her get an extra £500 a month from the government. The government has no money other than what it gets from the taxpayer (borrowings need to be repaid). As a higher income household OPs contribution to the tax bill to pay for this policy would exceed her dds handout.

@MrsWobble3 ah, but before disappearing having made a total dick of herself, don’t forget thar OP had decided she could have more money by sacking off work for benefits. So all the moneys and no tax to pay! 🤣🤣🤣

An unscientific random review of Uni accommodation prices shows that the majority cost more than the minimum loan amount. I know this is the case for DS1. So, whilst I’ve expected DS1 to work in the summer I am realistic that he needs an amount similar to what the OP is stating. In effect we are covering DS1’s accommodation and a big food shop or two each term and he is living off the loan.