To be starting to really worry about Liz Truss

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OK, so I'm not a Tory. I hate Boris, and despise the rest of them. I don't hold or much hope of any of them actually doing anything to address the problems that we're currently facing, because I don't think any of them actually give a toss about ordinary people. Of the two candidates that are left in the Tory leadership contest, I would pick Rishi, because I think he has a more realistic understanding of the economic challenges, but obviously, I'm not a party member so I have no say in the matter.

Nevertheless, I have been relatively sanguine and the prospect of Liz Truss as leader, a) because I figured that things couldn't get much worse than the shit show that we have had under Boris, and b) because I am pretty sure that she will be utterly unelectable when it comes to the next general election, so worst case scenario would be that we have another couple of years of crappy Tory government, exacerbated by the cost of living crisis, and then we can be pretty confident of getting shot of them. So, pretty shit all in all, but survivable.

But listening to everything that she is saying she wants to do, to the economic forecasts, and to the analysis from both within and beyond the Tory party, I'm starting to get really very worried. All this talk of huge tax cuts and massive reductions in public spending...I fear that she is going to make the looming economic crisis infinitely worse at a time when we can least afford to risk it. Nearly all economists seem to agree that her plans are going to make things worse, not better.

We are already at breaking point. Public services are on their knees. Businesses are struggling to stay afloat. People both in work and out of work are struggling. The most vulnerable are already having to choose between bare essentials such as eating and heating. Inflation continues to soar, energy prices are going off the scale, interest rates are going up... and she is about to make it worse! We just don't have the resilience in the system to cope with this.

I am actually very worried about what is going to happen. This could be very bad indeed, and a lot of people are going to suffer. If we end up with austerity on steroids in the midst of an unprecedented economic crisis, there will be massive civil unrest, surely?

I know tons of more centrist Tories who have held their noses and stayed voting for them in 2017 and 2019 because Corbyn was untenable to them who will now be voting for Starmer. I think the middle England heartlands will be giving the tories a massive shock.

I think what we’re missing here is what’s the alternative? In an ideal world a revolution? We all know that can’t happen. It’s strategically and logistically impossible to create an overthrow… but I think many people must be thinking along those lines right now. Who actually thinks this government is competent? I’m a professional, Masters educated, but I’m a single parent. The CMS fails me time and time again to the point of feeling suicidal. This system is never addressed. My wages have never went “up” in almost ten years- I effectively take a pay cut. I’be not locked in a mortgage deal or an energy deal as I was so busy trying to bring up my children on my own and work.

Conservative MP Caroline Nokes

”“I have to say I think there is a special place in hell for those who go out of their way to disguise income in order to prevent their former partner from being able to feed their children, buy school shoes or a new winter coat.”

Me- “I think there’s a special place in hell for those who go out their way to make comment on issues that impact children’s health and welfare so acutely and so profoundly and also have huge life limiting implications for their resident parents (over 90% female) and do NOTHING to change the system.”

3 weeks ago we heard Johnson was laser focused on the cost of living crisis. Now he is swanning around half drunk having completely downed tools while the 2 leadership contenders try to win the Nigel Farage wannabe contest. Who the f**k is running the country?

Truss would be a disaster, she listens to no-one, is only interested in her own voice and being heard, talks over people. Dreadful woman, power mad and not so bright really.

WTF? Public opinion was most certainly NOT firmly behind the Iraq war. Were you even born? You clearly weren't there.

Did you see the debates? The second one in particular Sunak panicking probably over talked and couldn’t stop

His polls fell again after that. He was a bit better for third but it got cut short

I can guarantee there will be savings to be made

I’m sure you’re right and any savings made should be reallocated to those services that are underfunded, not given away in tax cuts.

Here you go @youboozeyoulose. I was 50 in 2003.

yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2015/06/03/remembering-iraq

Tax cuts will not benefit those struggling most. They pay the least tax because they earn the least. So 1p in the pound reduction in tax, when after allowances there aren't may pounds left to save a penny on, is going to barely change their income at all.

Those same people are often most in need of services that the government fund. So they're parents on minium wage who need schools to be funded as they can't pay tutors. Those on a lower income tend to have poorer health so they need the NHS more often (and they can't afford private health care)...etc etc.

So basically her plans are to give the well off more money and further screw those already facing heating bills and inflation that they simply can't manage.

Has anyone heard her say a word about helping these people? And has she said where she's going to find the money for the NHS that it's not going to get as she plans to reverse the NI increase?

It’s so very very simple… the rich get richer… the poor… get poorer.

No middle class soon… those in power and those in poverty.

It’s basically the Hunger Games.

Thanks Boris.

Theresa hasn't sunk though. She's an extremely vocal and effective backbencher.

(And I've never voted Tory in my life)

...and pretty much everyone emtitled to vote will be comfortably off, if not extremely well off.

If this was a presidential style selection and the general public had a say, she'd not have a chance. She's only playing to the wealthy.

The Tories didn't really kick out Boris, the media did. Those who are voting would very much like him to have stayed, so it's really no wonder they're backing someone who works in a similar way.

I don't know why no-one worked this out before - it was pretty obvious.

I think she will be much worse than Boris, however no one knows wany of labour policies

I love this thread.

You all bitched and whined and moaned about Boris Johnson and now he has gone. I said in a thread some time ago, 'be sorry what you wish for'. Those who are calling Liz Truss thick, she went to Oxford, I'm wondering how many of you did the same.

I'm a member of the Conservative Party and will be voting for her. I look forward to hearing you squeal

You sound a delight. And someone who takes politics seriously. Maybe you should stick to soaps.

Theresa May didn’t call them the nasty party for nothing.

People will be ‘squealing’ about the cost of living, their fuel bills, the rapidly rising inflation rates and the total clusterfuck facing the economy, none of which it appears she has the first clue how to deal with.

Not that Rishi does either I suspect. Or if he does, he’s not telling us about it. And Labour don’t appear to have many more ideas either. Total sodding mess.

Going to Oxford is no guarantee of intelligence, having a good memory and ability to pass exams is what is needed, plus connections.
I saw the first debate and couldn't believe the way she didn't stop talking, not letting Rishi get a word in, and he just looked nonplussed by it. Bulldozing is not the answer.

When people talk about her being "thick", they are not referring to her academic ability but to her capacity for good judgement. So far, she has demonstrated very poor judgement. Going to Oxbridge offers absolutely no guarantee that people will have the skills that are required to run the country effectively - and no, I didn't study at Oxford myself, but I did go to Cambridge fwiw.

And yes, we bitched and whined and moaned about Boris Johnson because he was patently unfit for public office. Believing that Liz Truss will be a disaster doesn't make me want Boris back - not in a million years! - it just makes me more impatient for a general election so that we can send the whole sorry lot of them packing. It is not wrong to want to aspire to a choice that offers more than two terrible options.

I am sure that you and your Tory cronies will be the ones who are left squealing when it finally dawns on you that you have made the Tories unelectable for a generation.

I just think she’s corrupt, and is the latest puppet of the corrupt people that brought us Brexit etc- the bankers etc that took a bet on Brexit and made millions off that bet paying off etc. these corrupt people have bought off the Daily Mail who are posting stories daily about how great she is in the hope that people fall for it. It’s just like how the Lebedevs bought off Boris with whatever went on at that party in Italy.

My thoughts exactly @Mousemat25

Crankley and her ilk with fact-free celebrations are just trolls. Don't feed them (or be a troll hunter either - looks hard at myself in the mirror 😁) and besides she's the one squealing. 🐽

The years of Cameron/Osborne totally unnecessary austerity followed by Brexit, pandemic, Russia triple whammy has left millions in peril. The country is in big trouble and mass civil unrest is likely. Although yet another election defeat in 2024 would “look” bad for Labour, it’s probably in their best medium/long term interest at this point. Country’s fucked. Let the Tories have at it.

If I’m lucky I’ve got another 20 years left, I’m not prepared to just sit back and let the Tories have at it. I’ve spent just 13 years of my adult life under a decent government, I want another few years.

Thanks for the link. So "firmly behind" is 54% - or just over half? Interesting how you posted a link, rather than posting the statistic in the post.

You've just posted utter bullshit and hoped no-one would call you out on it. Poor.