To be starting to really worry about Liz Truss

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OK, so I'm not a Tory. I hate Boris, and despise the rest of them. I don't hold or much hope of any of them actually doing anything to address the problems that we're currently facing, because I don't think any of them actually give a toss about ordinary people. Of the two candidates that are left in the Tory leadership contest, I would pick Rishi, because I think he has a more realistic understanding of the economic challenges, but obviously, I'm not a party member so I have no say in the matter.

Nevertheless, I have been relatively sanguine and the prospect of Liz Truss as leader, a) because I figured that things couldn't get much worse than the shit show that we have had under Boris, and b) because I am pretty sure that she will be utterly unelectable when it comes to the next general election, so worst case scenario would be that we have another couple of years of crappy Tory government, exacerbated by the cost of living crisis, and then we can be pretty confident of getting shot of them. So, pretty shit all in all, but survivable.

But listening to everything that she is saying she wants to do, to the economic forecasts, and to the analysis from both within and beyond the Tory party, I'm starting to get really very worried. All this talk of huge tax cuts and massive reductions in public spending...I fear that she is going to make the looming economic crisis infinitely worse at a time when we can least afford to risk it. Nearly all economists seem to agree that her plans are going to make things worse, not better.

We are already at breaking point. Public services are on their knees. Businesses are struggling to stay afloat. People both in work and out of work are struggling. The most vulnerable are already having to choose between bare essentials such as eating and heating. Inflation continues to soar, energy prices are going off the scale, interest rates are going up... and she is about to make it worse! We just don't have the resilience in the system to cope with this.

I am actually very worried about what is going to happen. This could be very bad indeed, and a lot of people are going to suffer. If we end up with austerity on steroids in the midst of an unprecedented economic crisis, there will be massive civil unrest, surely?

I think a lot will depend on who is in the cabinet. Which may not be a collection of the great and the good, but will not be as bad as one including Boris Johnson, Nadine Dorries and Jacob Rees-Mogg.

YABU to only just be starting to worry about her. She’s thick as a brick, how she’s got to this position is beyond me. She’s a right wing nutter. The only good thing about this situation is that there’ll be a GE in 2 years. Who knows what damage will be done by then though?

unfortunately I dont see that happening - the only way you get a major labour victory is the lib dems regain some of their south west heartlands, and the SNP collapse in scotland. Labour can win a majority but it wont be a large one, unless the SNP collapses, which due to brexit I dont see happening any time soon

The Continuity Candidate.
Someone suggested Rishi will/should stand down and let her get on with it then she will sink the way Teresa did. Not that La Truss will become a useful constituency MP.

It started with Brexit and Boris’ bullshit on the side of the bus, but we’ve gradually become accustomed to an ineffective leader who blatantly lies. People don’t even care much about integrity and honesty any more - that’s the extent to which British politics has been destroyed.

Admittedly, politicians were never renowned for their honesty but it used to be more about exaggeration rather than barefaced lies and corruption - which is where we are now.

I detest Rishi, I remember seeing him years ago for the first time and thinking he was a limp, snaky man and I still think that today. But reluctantly I have to say he’s the best of the two.

I don’t think Labour have a hope in hell of getting elected. And I say that as a Labour voter. They’ve fucked up on the issue of womens safety and identity, and they’re intent on destroying themselves from within due to differences over ideology.

I think Keir Starmer is fiercely intelligent and is a decent, principled man. He tends to focus more on actual issues rather than vapid point-scoring but that’s why people don’t like him. We’re not used to politics being contested on actual issues any more - for many, it’s just a personality contest. That’s why Boris got in. And that’s why Keir won’t which is an enormous bloody shame.

I’m not a fan of the Tories at all but if Rory Stewart had won the leadership contest, this country would be in so much better shape. But again, quiet, principled and honest - people don’t go for that these days.

It’s all so fucking depressing.

You should think yourself lucky we don't have a Labour government. The last thing we need now is more dodgy dossiers and illegal wars killing millions. Some of us remember all that and our scruples will never allow us to support Labour again.

I had a very unfortunate experience when meeting her a few years ago, when she visited a local state school. She was completely out of her depth when speaking to the sixth formers, and even though a classroom debate was pre planned she was unprepared and not expecting them to ask such intelligent questions. The students very politely wiped the floor with her. She was clearly frightened of people who did not fit her own demographic and came over as weak and arrogant.

She's dim and will be easily manipulated by the right-wing, small state ERG headbangers.

If you think our public services are bad now (which they are), you should be very afraid.

Her only saving grace is that her leadership is likely to be so woeful that more people are likely to vote for non-Tory candidates.

Link? There is one that she had in her early marriage but she held her hand up to it and her and her husband recovered and had two children- not three

Truss has been as good as sponsored by the ERG during the leadership contest. She is their preferred candidate.

What do they get in return? More Cabinet positions.

We will end up with a Cabinet fully stocked with the ERG.

So they'll ditch the NI protocol (and then act surprised they've passed off the US and the EU), they'll chuck yet more money at the Rwandan government, and more and more culture war wedge politics to distract from crises in the NHS, cost of living, lack of growth, inflation, teacher retention etc.

I don't see anything positive coming out of this.

Unreasonable to only be 'starting' to worry about her. I'm not sure she's safe to be left alone with pens.

I think this is the most accurate description I have read of Keir Starmer - too principled and decent to win against liars who will say anything to get elected and then just lie lie lie. Liz Truss was at the same school and at the same time as the aunt and mother of a friend of me - it was not a rubbish school - she is lying. She comes from the Boris Johnson school of politics - just tell lies, DM will report them as as fact and idiots will vote for you.

And I don't imagine there will be any attempt to keep the One Nation Tories on board.
Truss - even more than Johnson - will have to stick with those that got her elected.

What is "the union issue"? People defending their rights?

Looked up “Jobs for the boys” (and obvs girls… well, a whole 1 of them 🙄)

and got this…

“What is the concept of the boys?
The Boys is set in a universe where superpowered individuals, called Supes, are recognized as heroes by the general public and work for a powerful corporation known as Vought International that markets and monetizes them. Outside their heroic personas, most are arrogant, selfish, and corrupt.”

Read it and weep… this is our reality.

Wage price spiral.

It’s not a simple fix. Even Starmer is facing problems internally on how to position a supposedly worker party.

She is worrying. She has not shown the measured judgment needed to be trustworthy in office and just seems to offer ill thought out soundbites. She may well win.
The last few years have been depressing in the options we are offered.

What else is essential?

Roads, railways, the judiciary, social care, immigration - do you want me to go on or is that enough to be going on with? I really want better public services, not tax cuts.

YANBU. She's an appalling frightening prospect

At least Sunak has a brain

Yes Zebedee lots of us remember the Blair years. They really weren't that long ago, and life was infinitely better for most people apart from Tory MPs and donors

Somebody wanted a link well here you have the unredacted spreadsheet leaked in reacted form by Guido Fawke's blog and reportedly the work of one Sir Gavin Williamson - the chief whip of the day that had to know where all the bodies were buried so discipline could be applied and NEVER refuted or subjected to libel action.

www.resetera.com/threads/uk-political-era-ot1-dis-united-kingdom.160150/page-102

I really do think people on Mumsnet are in some kind of echo chamber. Labour are not electable. Corban had a massive following, even the students and still he lost, unless Stammer suddenly buys a personality at Boots he has no chance.

It certainly was. Those of us who remember those years also remember the public opinion at the time was firmly behind the Iraq war and it had the backing of the opposition - 140 odd Tories voted for it.

You need to scroll down to the bottom of the forum. Dirty business is poltics.

Roads, railways, the judiciary, social care, immigration - do you want me to go on or is that enough to be going on with? I really want better public services, not tax cuts

Roads, railways, the judiciary - absolutely.

Social care (assistance for disabilities, those in real hardship) - also fine.

But, overall, are you able to confirm that, even within the essential services every expense is optimised? Are we getting the best price for all supplies and contracts, are endless layers of management required and productive, are all 'advisory' services needed? etc Has this been properly analysed? Because it should be, and I can guarantee there will be savings to be made