To be starting to really worry about Liz Truss

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OK, so I'm not a Tory. I hate Boris, and despise the rest of them. I don't hold or much hope of any of them actually doing anything to address the problems that we're currently facing, because I don't think any of them actually give a toss about ordinary people. Of the two candidates that are left in the Tory leadership contest, I would pick Rishi, because I think he has a more realistic understanding of the economic challenges, but obviously, I'm not a party member so I have no say in the matter.

Nevertheless, I have been relatively sanguine and the prospect of Liz Truss as leader, a) because I figured that things couldn't get much worse than the shit show that we have had under Boris, and b) because I am pretty sure that she will be utterly unelectable when it comes to the next general election, so worst case scenario would be that we have another couple of years of crappy Tory government, exacerbated by the cost of living crisis, and then we can be pretty confident of getting shot of them. So, pretty shit all in all, but survivable.

But listening to everything that she is saying she wants to do, to the economic forecasts, and to the analysis from both within and beyond the Tory party, I'm starting to get really very worried. All this talk of huge tax cuts and massive reductions in public spending...I fear that she is going to make the looming economic crisis infinitely worse at a time when we can least afford to risk it. Nearly all economists seem to agree that her plans are going to make things worse, not better.

We are already at breaking point. Public services are on their knees. Businesses are struggling to stay afloat. People both in work and out of work are struggling. The most vulnerable are already having to choose between bare essentials such as eating and heating. Inflation continues to soar, energy prices are going off the scale, interest rates are going up... and she is about to make it worse! We just don't have the resilience in the system to cope with this.

I am actually very worried about what is going to happen. This could be very bad indeed, and a lot of people are going to suffer. If we end up with austerity on steroids in the midst of an unprecedented economic crisis, there will be massive civil unrest, surely?

I'm actually worried about the future in general but the idea of this lady being in charge has seriously depressed me even more.
We need a bit of a revolution, but I can't see that happening
It is all so grim

Ok @Anothernamechangeplease no to an open mind, I get it.

The appalling trade deal she negotiated and signed with New Zealand is just one example of her lack of talent. It's going to shrink the farming and food processing industries in Britain.

https://www.politico.eu/article/liz-truss-uk-food-sector-australia-new-zealand-trade-deal/

She's incompetent and should be nowhere near government.

You and me both. Labour just don’t do it for me atm and I have voted for them before, I can’t see them dealing with union issue and inflation in a solid way. Even in opposition they are having an issue with strikes, picket lines and unions.

Sunak has annoyed me although initially I preferred him, he’s panicking and all over the shop - although another debate tonight which may impact.

His wealth wasn’t an issue for me, it’s irritating the media do this (or whoever pushed the story) but his policies and backtracking are a mess.

She doesn't inspire me , but then neither does Sir Kier Starmer.
Politics is in a bad way in the UK.

She will be terrible but shes a useful puppet

Don't worry..the world is without hope, the best thing is to just stop caring, do not give a single f*ck. Once you do that you will feel so much better.

When someone has already shown enough of themselves, the time for an open mind has passed, I'm afraid.

It has nothing to do with her being a woman, and everything to do with her character, her values and my perception of her incompetence.

Fwiw, I agree with you about the Labour Party having a woman problem, and I think they should be ashamed of their record on this. I wanted Yvette Cooper as leader when she stood, and couldn't believe that she was passed over. They missed a great leader in her, I think - one who would act with integrity, compassion and humility. So much of what Liz Truss lacks.

The opposition parties certainly need to get their acts together and I agree that they need to be talking to each other. We can't allow the Tories to stay in power for much longer because of the damage that they will wreak,, but there isn't a very credible or inspiring alternative right now. It's depressing.

This was exactly my worry about the 2019 election, I wanted the Tories to be accountable for their leaving the EU mess (I didn't vote Tory). I feel exactly the same now but I'm starting to think that they will inherit a mess, let's just get them to that point of inheritance

If Labour got rid of Kier and elected Yvette Cooper or Andy Burnham they would wipe the floor with the Tories but people like Angela Rayner would never let that happen so they will continue to be in opposition regardless of Liz Truss

They voted the wrong Milliband brother in years ago and ended up with DimWit

Truss will ensure Labour win the next GE, so all good from me.

Sunak, whilst not running a great campaign with the membership, actually has a grasp of what needs doing.
The focus has to be on inflation, increasing the money supply is bonkers, cuts in Corp tax? sounds great but there is nothing stopping the money flowing out of the UK nor has having a very low rate helped our current situation.

With targeted help to the poorest in society.

How would we know if Labour could without giving them a chance. We have a shower in charge now so might as well give the others a chance to prove otherwise.

I suggested to someone the other day that it ought to be the members of the opposition party that should select the new leader. That way we might actually get the least awful candidate.

Surely they would just select the person they thought they would be most likely to beat?
Which, in fairness, is probably Luz Truss anyway!!

YABU I will be relieved if Liz becomes PM. At least she understands the negative effect on women and children of 'gender identity ideology' and will now be in a position to do something. She di what she could before i.e. stopped self-id whereas Rishi Sunak has kept quiet until just now when these issues suddenly came to ahead.
There is no way she can be worse than any of the recent PMs.
There is no way to win an election in 2 years unless people feel they have some money in their pocket...at least she gets this unlike multi-millionaire Sunak.
YABU to assume Starmer's Labour have it in the bag.....I will never vote Labour again and I was a party member for years.

I’m loving her policy to remove regulations over new builds and give local people more say. Two mutually exclusive things to my mind.

We're all dooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooomed. Well not most MNetters who seem to all live in solid Tory constituencies and earn 'six figure' salaries

HNRTT but am mildly surprised at the firm opinions being expressed about the economics. Perhaps those who are not part of a coordinated campaign are so convinced Sunak has a strong handle on the economics might want to consider how what looks like a powerful recession will be managed through a reduction in spending and increase in taxes with the promise of tax cuts in a comedic timeframe of just before the next election then also in 7 years? While many conservative faithful might be happy about the post-2010 austerity, perhaps that's a lesson in how to stoke a fire by removing fuel resulting in anaemic growth and relatively poor performance compared with other nations. Sunak has yet to explain how a promise to become a US citizen and relocate to the US was compatible with being a MP for 6 years anbd chancellor for one then giving up the green card only after scrutiny. Sunak has a comedically thin skin even at a gentle interview.

Now I have equal concerns after an analysis of Truss' campaign but what looks like a coordinated campaign against Truss is not surprising but odd. Am not surprised as I suspect the delay to issuing party ballots is part of an effort to prevent early votes for Truss.

Funny how the Tories want us to keep an open mind about Liz Truss, even though she had been an integral part of the Government that has led us to this current shit show, and yet they are simultaneously quite sure that Keir Starmer isn't going to cut it.

The jury is out for me on Starmer. I think he's a decent man but not sure that he has what it takes to be a good leader. I would definitely vote Labour if they put Yvette Cooper in charge, and it would be a positive choice. Right now, my vote will be targeted at whoever is most likely to keep the Tories out. Can't say that any of the options are particularly appealing.

I am full ostrich on this. I am trying to ignore it, hoping it won’t happen. Yes, I know this is stupidity and I should probably be doing my bit politically. Hopefully she announces a general election and they get voted out. The left is not looking too hot though. Things feel really ground down in this country. It feels like it did in my childhood in the 80s.

Cold War Steve's photomontage take...

She also claimed, falsely, that the proposal had been ‘wilfully misrepresented’. Not the first time she’s been less than honest. Remind you of anyone?

At the moment she is saying anything to win over the elderly, xenophobic, deluded, "I'm all right Jack" Daily Mail readers that make up the Tory party membership. Once she is leader these policies will come under a lot more scrutiny and I expect she will be forced to make a lot of u-turns. I give her a year before the MPs get the knives out once more.

In a way, it's good she will become the next PM. She will pave the way for a massive Labour majority.

I'm even more worried by her severe lack of diplomacy.

Her attitude towards the NI protocol is aggressive and uneducated.

She is planning on morphing into the Iron Lady 🤔