What’s the most batshit belief you’ve ever known someone to hold

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just met up with a long time friend (lovely, but utterly away with the fairies) who honestly believes the earth is flat as well as a whole host of other similarly crazy things. It got me thinking what’s the most batshit thing you’ve ever known anyone to think?

@Orangello
I dont want to approve or disapprove.
I'm not a small minded bigot.

Well, at least the people that truly believe in God don't end up suicidal because they only believed in their own miserable existence.
Maybe you wouldn't have so many broken homes, infidelity and suicide rates if you believed in God.
Maybe you would have a sense of community - not throw your old people in care homes.
People that truly have God in their heart are happier and less mentally unstable.
Believing in God doesn't mean you reject science.
Maybe look at some Eastern faiths Bhakti faiths - very different to Christianity.
Not that there is anything wrong with Christianity but it does have a lot of do's and don'ts and science is not a major player. However, the teachings are for a good and peaceful life.

Science itself changes and cannot prove everything.

Reality shows, alcohol and multiple men - Has this been your life?!
If believing in God at least keeps you away from a hedonistic lifestyle, it's worth it.

I'll ask again: do you understand why someone who genuinely felt they had transitioned (however incorrectly) would find that being described as 'the most batshit belief you’ve ever known' wilfully offensive?

The OP asked a question. It doesn't create a legal compulsion for you to reply.

I'll ask again: do you understand why someone who genuinely felt they had transitioned (however incorrectly) would find that being described as 'the most batshit belief you’ve ever known' wilfully offensive?

You're just not getting it.

It's not the point of the thread whether someone finds another's idea of batshit offensive. Many would find someone saying 'God doesn't exist' offensive. How is it though that it's only GI you feel the need to pull people up on?

Are you going to answer the question?

The OP asked a question. It doesn't create a legal compulsion for you to reply.

There wasn't actually a legal compulsion for anyone to open this thread and read it, or post on it either.

The OP asked a question, and it was answered by many different people, according to the wording of the question posed. People have both just stated the beliefs they find batshit, or explained what it is about them. The only derailing has come from people who like to tell others what to think. And obviously people are going to respond to their presumptuousness.

Noted with thanks.

do you understand why someone who genuinely felt they had transitioned (however incorrectly) would find that being described as 'the most batshit belief you’ve ever known' wilfully offensive?

do you understand why someone who genuinely felt they had transitioned (however incorrectly) would find that being described as 'the most batshit belief you’ve ever known' wilfully offensive?

I understand why they would find it offensive. I question "wilfully" because it's nothing to do with them what I choose to say. Personally I find "trans women are women" an offensive belief. I don't feel that people don't have the right to say it, but nor do I think they have more right to hold their belief than I do mine. Hope that's clear.

Sometimes people get offended. We all get offended. That's life. As pp said, religious people have equally the same right to take offence at some of the posts here. So do variously Labour voters, Tories, people who eat meat, people who don't.

I am not sure why you think this is a gotcha question. There are transexuals who understand that they have not changed sex, and are fully able to articulate that their sex is their birth sex. There are some who, and the current iteration of gender ideology encourages them to believe, that it is offensive to reminded of their birth sex in any context. I understand why they think this but I disagree that they are right to find this offensive.

There are women who find it offensive that women are in leadership positions, usually for religious reasons. I understand why they think this but I think they are wrong to be offended by this and I think it is acceptable for others to disagree stridently with them. There are a whole manner of people who find statements and beliefs offensive, and I understand why. I still often think they are wrong to find this offensive and I think it is legitimate for others to disagree stridently.

A world where people did not speak for fear of causing offence would quickly fall silent.

If they find that offensive they may want to have a bit of self awareness and introspection on the subject, and think about why questioning a scientific fact is so upsetting for them. They might also want to consider how their ideology is upsetting and offensive to others.

Are you going to answer the question

Yes I understand why someone would find that offensive. Still doesn't change the point of the thread. You've still not answered why it's only this you've felt the need to tie yourself in knots over and not anything else.

When my cousin was suffering post natal depression my grandmother told her to buck her ideas up and appreciate her beautiful baby.
My cousin replied “my PND is not my fault, it’s my hormones. You’re lucky, you didn’t have hormones in the olden days”

my cousin believed hormones were a recent invention.

There are women who find it offensive that women are in leadership positions, usually for religious reasons. I understand why they think this but I think they are wrong to be offended by this and I think it is acceptable for others to disagree stridently with them.

Exactly, if someone had said something of this nature, and people frequently do, I wouldn't leave the thread weeping in despair, I would challenge it, with facts and rational argument. If I was upset that they thought it, that would be for me to deal with, even though I might think said hypothetical person was a complete arse.

Does a trans person finding it offensive that some people think GI beliefs are batshit mean people should be told off and told to give it a rest for saying that?

if so, why do you only care and interrogate us about the trans person’s feelings and not all the others who believe in other things?

And as said below, it also means that people should be told off for saying you can change sex and a male can be a woman and a GNC girl is a boy, because that stuff offends me.

Either people can suck it up that others disagree with them, or saying anything others find offensive should be banned, in which case that only makes sense if it goes for everyone.

You’re describing a situation where you say someone would incorrectly hold a belief that they have changed sex, and feel offended if this isn’t validated?

You’re making the “transitioned” person of your hypothetical example sound like a psychiatric patient who is offended their delusions aren’t believed. Do you understand what that sounds like?

If someone tells me that a tinfoil hat is stopping Hilary Clinton beaming mind control to them from GPS satellites, they might well feel wilfully offended if they heard me describe this belief at batshit; but that doesn’t make the belief then (a) true or (b) require my performative assent in some kind of necessary display of “civility and tolerance”.

No-one is compelled to believe in something incorrect or untrue, nor validate this for other people who do. Why do you think that’s any different for gender identity than for Scientology or homeopathy or any other belief? I am not required to say I believe in Islam in order to be civil and tolerant towards Muslim people.

No-one on this thread has treated gender ideology as anything different to any other belief. It’s you who are doing that.

It's amazing isn't it that the more posters tell us not to talk about something the more we do! Please carry on, it's having the opposite effect and bringing more and more much needed sunlight to the issue.

Quite frankly the whole premise of the thread is to point out things we find batshit so clearly those that believe are going to be offended that we think their beliefs are stupid. So what?

I am presuming the ‘wilfully offended’ demands for mumsnetters answers is for a screenshot to put on Twitter, is it not?
Like pp have said, it’s not a ‘gotcha’, it’s a thread about what people think are other’s batshit beliefs.

I’m not pointing at you, because as I say, I think we were very respectful and adult - but I think it’s that exact kind of behaviour that creates that eyeroll “oh they’re here again” when the topic comes up on a thread, regardless of how valid it’s inclusion might actually be.

But you disagreed with it before anyone argued with you. You didn't just eyeroll, you made a post about it. That's why the argument happened. A few posters took it upon themselves to police the thread and comment on which beliefs should and shouldn't be included. You should recognise your own part in that, because that's the only reason thread was derailed. Why didn't you just scroll on by? I'm not saying you should have, but then I'm ambivalent about the direction the thread has taken. You can't just have your say and expect it to be the last word on it, it's not how this forum (or most forums) works.

As I said, it's a bit rich for several people to turn up on a thread lots of people are already posting on, dedicated to mocking other people's batshit beliefs, then complain that you don't like people finding your own beliefs a bit batshit.

And I's just like to point out @Trying20 that you actually asked me to justify my beliefs and I did. You were going to suggest a separate arena to explain your beliefs? Where and when?

Exactly. If you think we've got something wrong which means our claims that a particular belief is batshit are unjustified, you need to make that case, as you were invited to do, I believe, Trying? And yes you and I did disagree and move on, but you brought it up again.

This specific belief was nominated in the fourth post on the thread, and then fairly frequently. The second post was about people believing Kier Starmer would make a good PM, I imagine that had the potential to offend quite a few people, no?

That Jack and Jill who went up the hill to fetch a pail of water were the 2 robbers who got crucified next to Jesus.