Why aren't people on benefits be asked to pick fruit? Why bring in immigrants?

[quietandcomplex]

Can someone explain to me why, when there are so many unemployed and on benefits, they aren't picking fruit for the farmers? Why bring immigrants into the country to do the job? This is not a political or racist or anything other post, it does not make sense to me, what am I missing?

I'm disabled. I wouldn't have been able to litter pick or put books back in a library.

And for those saying that they don't understand the local thing as immigrants are not local.

If you move areas you lose your benefits as you have to live in the area that you are registered.

If we live a normal life expectancy, we will all be. Pensions are a form of benefits. Most benefits are not unemployment benefit.

If I didn't go to work, I wouldn't get paid and therefore wouldn't be able to pay my bills.

Quite a few people who do go to work aren't paid sufficient to pay their bills. That's why they may be on benefits. Most benefits to working-age people are topping up low pay, not paying people who don't work.

This is a piss take, right? Please tell me this isn't your actual opinion?

Honestly. Can people not have a discussion without resorting to reducing the debate to name calling? Just because you are offended, it doesn't mean you are right. Nor does it mean you have to shut down the conversation. Have a meaningful, considered discussion. don't just bang out words on a laptop calling people 'thick' or 'stupid' or 'Tory'. What does that achieve?

'You have to prove you are applying for jobs'. I think anyone who owns a business that either employs people or works in recruitment could and would tell you a dozen stories of people not interested in actually being recruited for a role but are rather using the vacancy as a stamp for their proof of job search. It's not uncommon knowledge that this happens.

Not quite such a 'thick' post after all.

And that’s literally how we are able to have fruit and vegetables we can afford to eat at the moment by shafting somebody else further up the food chain. If pickers were actually paid minimum wage none of us could afford an orange.

now back to the matter at hand should you have to work for dole, my ex-husband worked for 19 years before being made redundant and was then on the dole for seven months.

he received £43 a week to support his family of six on.
are you seriously telling me you think that I should’ve paid his petrol out of my wages to go and work for some see you next Tuesday pulling turnips out of his field, rather than networking and doing free consultancy work that would eventually lead to a well paid job ?

There's nothing left to discuss. The practicalities of a scheme like this have been teased apart over and over again on these forums and it's clear that it is a logistical impossibility - especially given the nature of UC.

But for some reason a subset of the British public want to punish people who are worse off than they are. It's a mindset I don't understand.

@Nothappyatwork working for dole has also been discussed, with the frothers all in favour of it.

But if there's a genuine job that genuinely needs doing then the employer can fucking well pay NMW for it or fuck off. Because anything else is exploitation.

Yes!

Tbh I do think people who are fit for work but are continually refusing to work should be asked to pick fruit, yes. Particularly the under 25s.

Stick them in a tent, give them a picking target and make their benefits conditional on hitting it.

I suspect many would soon find care assistant jobs not so bad after all!

You’re taking rubbish. Claimants have to prove they are fit for work. Or they get nothing. Ignorant post.

So in this thread it's been mentioned time and again, fruit picking requires skills and a good back.

Aside from that your fine with just anyone looking after your mum? You? Someone forced into care work will hardly make a great carer I dont think, but if you have someone in your life who needs care, we can use them to test my theory.

Claimants who are fit for work have to prove they are looking and applying

and if you think people can get disability benefits easily that’s even more ignorant.

"I suspect many would soon find care assistant jobs not so bad after all!"

Vulnerable people shouldn't be cared for by people who are forced to do it over fruit picking. Vulnerable people deserve better than that.

Agree with you OP...

And whilst we're at it, why don't we solve the shortage of beds in the hospitals by donating our old beds when we upgrade to our next divan... Would solve the NHS problem at a stroke! People just need a bit of best of British common sense and nous!

When you sit there gleefully bashing out shite like this do you forget your talking about actual people? "Stick them in a tent"? Is there something wrong with you?

Why leave them on benefits? If you are forcing them to provide a business with free labour and live in a tent why pay them at all.

And if they don't work fast enough, we could whip them. That would teach them!

Yea let's make people who don't want to be carers be carers. I mean what could possibly go wrong.
Why is care work always trotted out as something everyone can do. They can't.

I've worked as a care assistant with people who don't want to be there. It's fucking shit. For me and more importantly for the service users.

Yay forced Labour hardly a requisite of a civilised society. For the angry mob with burning torches, I hope you don't find yourselves redundant and of a certain age and you can't get a job for love nor money. Not everyone on benefits is cheating shysters.

Frankly because the migrants who do this work are made of exceptionally tough stuff and have an incredible work ethic.