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Why Ukrainians treated differently from other refugees?

298 replies

Babymamamama · 30/07/2022 06:51

Disclaimer I’m not a current affairs specialist and not trying to start a bun fight this is a genuine question.
Aibu to ask why it is Ukranian refugees have on appearance been treated so differently from other groups fleeing dreadful conflicts in their home country. I’m specifically thinking of Afghan and Syrian nationals as they are the two groups I’m most aware of.

Round my way people have been hosting Ukrainians, clubbing together as whole streets to contribute to flat deposits, gathering up household items to set up Ukrainians in their temporary homes, holding fundraising concerts. It’s all all admirable and I myself have also contributed where I could. But a lingering question remains -why for this group and not the others? Is this unconscious bias? Why the difference in approach and treatment? Not wanting to offend but something about this doesn’t sit well with me. Can anyone with more knowledge of world affairs enlighten me please?

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VladmirsPoutine · 30/07/2022 22:08

Frankly, this is supposed to be done by ountries next/near to theirs. This is why it was done here.

No. It was done because they are white.

blubbabubba · 30/07/2022 22:08

HRTQueen · 30/07/2022 22:06

Read my post

I have not said anything about my shared values

"Because they are white Christians
*
and for many they consider them to have the same values*"

Hope this helpsSmile
I'm wondering what these are, and which of these other refugees don't have in common

Scianel · 30/07/2022 22:10

Plenty of white, Christian Syrians and I think it's quite telling that a lot of people on this thread don't even realise that.

HRTQueen · 30/07/2022 22:16

I don’t know blubbabubba

you are asking the wrong person why they feel they can identify more with refugees from Ukraine than other parts of the world (even Europe) or that they feel they have the same values

Choopi · 30/07/2022 22:22

How is the welcoming in black and brown majority countries for Ukrainian refugees vs other refugees? I'm sure african and middle Eastern countries have accepted their share of European refugees, I wonder how they have welcomed people of a different race vs how they welcome people of the same race?

fakenamefornow · 30/07/2022 22:24

Besides, all these accusations of racism, I bet loads of black or Muslim British families have taken Ukrainian women and children into their homes as well.

MissyCooperismyShero · 30/07/2022 22:48

Are all the people who say the UK are inherently racist aware that in just about every study carried out over decades, the UK is found to be one of the least racist countries? Less racist than the Latin countries, Germany, way less racist than USA or Israel or singapore. Just saying.

Dajeeling · 30/07/2022 22:49

Ironfloor269 · 30/07/2022 06:56

I think @CathyTheQueen got it right. The English are deep down rather racist so generally support caucasians over dark skinned people.

The irony of this comment.

VladmirsPoutine · 30/07/2022 22:50

@MissyCooperismyShero Thank goodness for the tolerance. I hate 40 degree weather but I tolerate it. I hate spicy food but I can tolerate it. I'm so grateful people in the UK tolerate me Hmm

HRTQueen · 30/07/2022 22:52

People in the UK are less vocal in their racism

it’s there still and it shouldn’t be. Will always be to some degree unfortunately but it should always be unacceptable

and I hate these comments are people meant to be grateful that the UK is less racist than other countries (and not sure it applies to all of the UK)

Bubblebubblebah · 30/07/2022 22:52

VladmirsPoutine · 30/07/2022 22:08

Frankly, this is supposed to be done by ountries next/near to theirs. This is why it was done here.

No. It was done because they are white.

Do you genuinely think that the 40 odd countries in Europe should be providing safe passage for whole world? Come on.
I don't see people bitching about rich arab countries taking basically none from ME area. But everyone bitched about EE countries not taking them. For example

MissyCooperismyShero · 30/07/2022 22:56

VladmirsPoutine · 30/07/2022 22:50

@MissyCooperismyShero Thank goodness for the tolerance. I hate 40 degree weather but I tolerate it. I hate spicy food but I can tolerate it. I'm so grateful people in the UK tolerate me Hmm

Pardon me?

Holidaydreamingagain · 30/07/2022 22:59

Glitteratitar · 30/07/2022 13:42

This is a very recent thing, post the creation of Israel. There is not deep rooted anti Semitism. Muslims, Jews and Christians lived peacefully together for a long time.

I think you need to do some research. The Jews left Middle Eastern countries precisely because of anti semitism

vera99 · 30/07/2022 23:12

Racism and geo-political posturing. Isn't Rwanda supposed to be safe and in need of folk to help it develop?

VladmirsPoutine · 30/07/2022 23:29

@MissyCooperismyShero You made a point about the UK being 'one of the least racist countries'. My response was in reference to that.

TartanGirl1 · 31/07/2022 01:31

@Velvettia still waiting for you to try and defend your horrifically xenophobic comment....

Thebestwaytoscareatory · 31/07/2022 01:56

towellette · 30/07/2022 11:10

Russia also posed a threat via their actions in Syria. Why was that any different?

I don't understand your point? Has anyone claimed Russia isn't a threat to the west because they have backed Assad? Of course it's a threat. However I think there is a difference between Russia supporting a regime in another continent to Russia invading a country with NATO borders. It's logical to react differently when the wolf is at your door.

Russia poses zeo risk to the West. It has never posed any risk to the west but it is an incredibly convenient "bad guy" to pin blame on for a variety of issues and to distract the masses from the horrific corruption of western governments.

The only country that could pose any risk to Europe is the USA. Outside of them we are the baddies of the world.

We are the ones who invade without care of consequence or a thought for the people we displace and/or kill. We are the ones who believe our way is right and attempt to enforce it upon all who disagree. We are the ones who slaughter innocent men, women, and children and then justify it because the lived "differently" from us.

We are the monsters of the 21st century and that's how we should be remembered. How we have destroyed the middle east, how we've slaughtered, abducted, and tortured their people, and how we've abandoned them to lawlessness because we can't be arsed seeing things through makes us no better than the Germans who turned a blind eye to the Nazis regime.

Shame on us all, myself included, for allowing this to be our legacy and for electing cunts to power.

tootiredforanything · 31/07/2022 02:19

Skin colour

GuyMontag · 31/07/2022 02:28

Thebestwaytoscareatory · 31/07/2022 01:56

Russia poses zeo risk to the West. It has never posed any risk to the west but it is an incredibly convenient "bad guy" to pin blame on for a variety of issues and to distract the masses from the horrific corruption of western governments.

The only country that could pose any risk to Europe is the USA. Outside of them we are the baddies of the world.

We are the ones who invade without care of consequence or a thought for the people we displace and/or kill. We are the ones who believe our way is right and attempt to enforce it upon all who disagree. We are the ones who slaughter innocent men, women, and children and then justify it because the lived "differently" from us.

We are the monsters of the 21st century and that's how we should be remembered. How we have destroyed the middle east, how we've slaughtered, abducted, and tortured their people, and how we've abandoned them to lawlessness because we can't be arsed seeing things through makes us no better than the Germans who turned a blind eye to the Nazis regime.

Shame on us all, myself included, for allowing this to be our legacy and for electing cunts to power.

Yup.

Plus, the only country in the whole of history to use nuclear weapons on civilian populations is the USA. Twice.

Of course Russia has its own weapons in response, especially given that for most of the past 100 years the USA has made it its business to violently crush any stirrings of socialism - just socialism, not even communism - in the Americas and elsewhere, while simultaneously waging a "war" on the drugs that its own population's appetites have made into a hugely lucrative commodity.

Makes me laugh, all the chat about Putin's got a puffy face and he's a madman etc - have you seen the state of Biden? Falling over his feet, reading stage directions like they're speeches. At least you know Putin's in charge of Russia. Who's running Biden? Because there's a lot of power nesting somewhere and it's not in a senile hair sniffing old man.

ittakes2 · 31/07/2022 05:18

I am mixed race and I feel upset that people take the easy route and call the English racist - while I am sure there is an element of racism in every country I don’t feel England is overall a racist society.
The media and social media have raised the profile of helping Ukrainians by inviting them to stay in rooms in homes. There might be
people from other countries needing the same but I have seen very little promotion of this.
People are inviting strangers into their homes - they get to choose which strangers they feel work with their families.
I hope that all the people calling the English racist have invited the refugees they feel have been under represented to stay in their homes. Because if you are one of these people and you haven’t than you really need to take a look at yourself.

babbez · 31/07/2022 10:15

ittakes2 · 31/07/2022 05:18

I am mixed race and I feel upset that people take the easy route and call the English racist - while I am sure there is an element of racism in every country I don’t feel England is overall a racist society.
The media and social media have raised the profile of helping Ukrainians by inviting them to stay in rooms in homes. There might be
people from other countries needing the same but I have seen very little promotion of this.
People are inviting strangers into their homes - they get to choose which strangers they feel work with their families.
I hope that all the people calling the English racist have invited the refugees they feel have been under represented to stay in their homes. Because if you are one of these people and you haven’t than you really need to take a look at yourself.

There's racism in this very thread. Some of it not even that subtle. If you're mixed race, why are you so keen to deny it? I am too. Doesn't make you right, though.

babbez · 31/07/2022 10:18

And absolutely no one is saying it's racist not to take people into your home. It's racist however to say call Syrians (of all people) illegal immigrants/economic migrants and resent them for coming here. For comparing all brown people to terrorists and claim Afghan refugees are the ones blowing people up in the UK and therefore aren't welcome. I'm sure there was more earlier on that I've forgotten. And being mixed race doesn't exempt you from being racist, least of all to those a different race from you.

GrowlingManchego · 31/07/2022 11:05

Of course some UK people are racist. Ukrainians have a legal route to safety in the UK, whereas people fleeing for their lives from other war torn places such as Syria, Afghanistan don’t and are being deported to Rwanda!

Brown skinned people can be racist FYI.

happinessischocolate · 31/07/2022 11:51

@Thebestwaytoscareatory
@GuyMontag

A wish there was a like function both of your posts are a breath of fresh air in this horrendously racist thread

Makes me laugh, all the chat about Putin's got a puffy face and he's a madman etc - have you seen the state of Biden? Falling over his feet, reading stage directions like they're speeches. At least you know Putin's in charge of Russia. Who's running Biden? Because there's a lot of power nesting somewhere and it's not in a senile hair sniffing old man.

Exactly and that's before we even start on our own madman Boris

The media really do have people believing any shite they print or post

happinessischocolate · 31/07/2022 11:58

GrowlingManchego · 31/07/2022 11:05

Of course some UK people are racist. Ukrainians have a legal route to safety in the UK, whereas people fleeing for their lives from other war torn places such as Syria, Afghanistan don’t and are being deported to Rwanda!

Brown skinned people can be racist FYI.

But why do Ukrainians have a legal route to safety in the uk but Syrians don't. Why do we accept the government doing this. Why was everyone raising money and donating stuff for Ukrainians. People at work did fundraising and everyone who donated got given a yellow and blue badge to wear! They all looked completely blank when asked what they'd done for other refugees though!

The media and the government pushed the agenda about the poor Ukrainians and the public just lapped it up. I'd love to see them do the same for another country in need.

Also the people who keep saying the Ukraine is on our doorstep but Syria and turkey aren't need to buy a fucking map.

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