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Why Ukrainians treated differently from other refugees?

298 replies

Babymamamama · 30/07/2022 06:51

Disclaimer I’m not a current affairs specialist and not trying to start a bun fight this is a genuine question.
Aibu to ask why it is Ukranian refugees have on appearance been treated so differently from other groups fleeing dreadful conflicts in their home country. I’m specifically thinking of Afghan and Syrian nationals as they are the two groups I’m most aware of.

Round my way people have been hosting Ukrainians, clubbing together as whole streets to contribute to flat deposits, gathering up household items to set up Ukrainians in their temporary homes, holding fundraising concerts. It’s all all admirable and I myself have also contributed where I could. But a lingering question remains -why for this group and not the others? Is this unconscious bias? Why the difference in approach and treatment? Not wanting to offend but something about this doesn’t sit well with me. Can anyone with more knowledge of world affairs enlighten me please?

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BMW6 · 30/07/2022 19:51

European and Christian

Porcupineintherough · 30/07/2022 20:04

I think it's pretty typical for refugees to stay relatively close to home. I don't see many people calling the Brazilians a bunch of racist bastards as most of their refugees come from Venezuela and Haiti, or rage about the number of Sudanese refugees in Kenya.

Nanalisa60 · 30/07/2022 20:12

Because they are European Christain and mostly women and children.

Kidsaretryingtodestroyme · 30/07/2022 20:13

‘European and Christian’

European and Christian is too broad to explain cultural similarities, you may as well say human.

Malta is European and Christian and anti-abortion. Is that in line with our liberal cultural norms? There are many cultural differences across Europe. The British aren’t the same as the Portuguese and the Portuguese aren’t the same as the Germans. Also most Brits aren’t practising Christians. Ethiopia is a Christian country, are they culturally similar to British? I know Lebanese Christians, are they similar culturally to British. White South Africans with European ancestry, are they similar culturally to British.

I need more concrete examples of cultural similarity between British and Ukraine because I’m not seeing it.

abcdeg · 30/07/2022 20:19

When people say Christian, to me it reads as. Non-Muslim. Christian Eastern Europeans aren't necessarily welcomed, plenty of xenophobia etc but still favoured over Muslims who are treated suspiciously even when they are being persecuted

SaySomethingMan · 30/07/2022 20:21

CathyTheQueen · 30/07/2022 06:53

They're white and Christian?

This. You got the correct answer quite early on.

Not read through but there’ll be a few ‘closer home’ , etc etc

SeptimusWarrenSmith · 30/07/2022 20:31

Russians are mostly white, mostly European and mostly Christian.

DelilahBucket · 30/07/2022 20:54

Because they are mostly female and/or children. Certainly the constant influx of immigrants that stay in the hotel next door to us are all young males. Never seen a woman or a child in the three years the group's have been coming through. To me that screams "very different reason for being an immigrant".

DelilahBucket · 30/07/2022 20:56

I suppose the other thing to consider is how people are getting here. There's a big difference in how people feel about "sneaking in via a lorry or boat" to coming in through legal channels.

VladmirsPoutine · 30/07/2022 21:22

I suppose the other thing to consider is how people are getting here. There's a big difference in how people feel about "sneaking in via a lorry or boat" to coming in through legal channels.

I think it helped massively that European countries created safe passage routes, processing centres. The UK even offered host families a stipend. Eurostar even waived their usual ticket fees. The speed and to a degree the efficiency European countries did this showed it is possible thus it's an active choice to let Black and brown refugees drown at sea.

HRTQueen · 30/07/2022 21:28

Because they are white Christians

and for many they consider them to have the same values

Fancydancer1934 · 30/07/2022 21:29

SaySomethingMan · 30/07/2022 20:21

This. You got the correct answer quite early on.

Not read through but there’ll be a few ‘closer home’ , etc etc

Correct in whose opinion? Oh just yours then

Zerrin13 · 30/07/2022 21:29

I spent 12 days in Lviv last summer. We were transiting from Turkey which was in the red zone and we couldn't enter England until we had spent a minimum of 11 nights in an amber zoned country.
For anyone assuming Ukraine is culturally similar to the UK. I wouldn't agree. I fact we found it a very strange place indeed and couldn't wait to get home. As for people thinking Ukrainian's usually speak English. We found it incredibly difficult to find anyone who spoke English. We got by with Google translate.

blubbabubba · 30/07/2022 21:31

HRTQueen · 30/07/2022 21:28

Because they are white Christians

and for many they consider them to have the same values

Can you expand on these shared values

MarneyM · 30/07/2022 21:31

DelilahBucket · 30/07/2022 20:54

Because they are mostly female and/or children. Certainly the constant influx of immigrants that stay in the hotel next door to us are all young males. Never seen a woman or a child in the three years the group's have been coming through. To me that screams "very different reason for being an immigrant".

So much confusion on here between immigrant and refugee.

Please, let’s educate ourselves. At least read back and see my information on the Syrian refugee family I supported.

HappyDays40 · 30/07/2022 21:33

Because they are white and the UK is inherently racist. Colonial attitudes have not changed.

Bubblebubblebah · 30/07/2022 21:34

VladmirsPoutine · 30/07/2022 21:22

I suppose the other thing to consider is how people are getting here. There's a big difference in how people feel about "sneaking in via a lorry or boat" to coming in through legal channels.

I think it helped massively that European countries created safe passage routes, processing centres. The UK even offered host families a stipend. Eurostar even waived their usual ticket fees. The speed and to a degree the efficiency European countries did this showed it is possible thus it's an active choice to let Black and brown refugees drown at sea.

Frankly, this is supposed to be done by ountries next/near to theirs. This is why it was done here.

HRTQueen · 30/07/2022 21:35

blubbabubba

No.

if you are interested look on google

blubbabubba · 30/07/2022 21:39

HRTQueen · 30/07/2022 21:35

blubbabubba

No.

if you are interested look on google

Wow you sure convinced me so that'll be none then

fakenamefornow · 30/07/2022 21:44

Darbs76 · 30/07/2022 08:48

contrary to popular belief there’s a fair percentage of men come too. It is because they are white and Christian - whether people want to believe it or not. That’s the main reason

I have a Ukrainian woman and young child staying with me. Absolutely no way would I take in a young Ukrainian man (unless perhaps he was a single dad). Zelensky was absolutely right to prevent young healthy Ukrainian men leaving, infact I would have gone further and prevented anyone over 21, without children leaving, male or female.

fakenamefornow · 30/07/2022 21:57

Question for all the people saying it just because Ukrainians are white and British people are racist.
Do you not see any difference at all between Ukrainians and other refugees?
I see lots.

  1. Ukrainians are mostly women and children, others (2015, channel boats) are mostly young men.
  2. Ukrainians (I believe) are seeking temporary shelter and will return home to their men. Afghans and Syrians been permanent resettlement.
  3. Theres a clear cut good guy/bad guy in Ukraine
  4. Ukrainians are basically fighting Putin for us.

I'm not saying race isn't a factor at all but it seems beyond simplistic to not see any differences that would explain the different responses

HRTQueen · 30/07/2022 22:00

blubbabubba · 30/07/2022 21:39

Wow you sure convinced me so that'll be none then

I answered the question asked in the title

not here to convince anyone

I can remember the horror of seeing prisoner of war camps in Europe on our news in the 90’s the response was not the same

fakenamefornow · 30/07/2022 22:01

Question for all the people saying it just because Ukrainians are white and British people are racist.
Do you not see any difference at all between Ukrainians and other refugees?
I see lots.

  1. Ukrainians are mostly women and children, others (2015, channel boats) are mostly young men.
  2. Ukrainians (I believe) are seeking temporary shelter and will return home to their men. Afghans and Syrians been permanent resettlement.
  3. Theres a clear cut good guy/bad guy in Ukraine
  4. Ukrainians are basically fighting Putin for us.

I'm not saying race isn't a factor at all but it seems beyond simplistic to not see any differences that would explain the different responses

blubbabubba · 30/07/2022 22:03

There are no shared values that we have with Ukrainians, that we don't have with Muslim/other refugees @HRTQueen, and you've dug yourself a bit of a hole.

All you had to do was write a few words to shut me up, but you can't, oh well

HRTQueen · 30/07/2022 22:06

Read my post

I have not said anything about my shared values