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Energy bill price cap predicted to go to £3850 - 3 x what it was a year ago

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cakeorwine · 27/07/2022 20:40

There is an AIBU here - but really it's posting for traffic

Russia is having 'maintainance issues' so has reduced the gas flow to Europe to a low level.

Gas prices have soared again.

Price cap prediction - £3850 - about 3 x what it was a year ago.

This is going to affect all of us

www.theguardian.com/money/2022/jul/27/uk-energy-bills-forecast-to-hit-3850-pounds-russia-cuts-gas-supply-further-europe-pipeline

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BarbaraofSeville · 28/07/2022 03:25

SandinJuice · 28/07/2022 01:02

Same here. Martin Lewis was saying to not fix earlier in year or late last year. Our fixed rate came to an end and we went onto the standard variable. We're already in a debt repayment plan with Stepchange but when our bills go up we won't be able to afford our monthly payment and will have to default. Our child is off to Uni and we get the minimum maintenance loan that we're having to top up - I honestly don't know what we're going to do. We just can't cut back anymore or conjure up more money. I've heard they can't cut you off if you have anyone under 16 in the house.

Our energy suppliers wanted to take £285 this month for duel fuel

Ask to review what you pay to Stepchange. Your debt repayment is supposed to be what you can afford after normal living costs.

However a reduced payment change the viability of your debt management plan and make an IVA or bankruptcy a better option.

Or are you able to downsize if DC have left home? Unfortunately, empty nesting in a family sized house with larger bills might be an unaffordable luxury in future.

Is your DC working over the summer to save up for university and planning to work while they're there, because they should be. It's them who will benefit financislly from their education so they shouldn't expect it to be paid for by their parents risking their own financial stability.

SheeplessAndCounting · 28/07/2022 03:33

PeloAddict · 28/07/2022 00:56

I'm definitely worried
Fixed my rate last sept and wish I had gone for 2 years instead of 1
Current spend is
£27 ish electric a month
£10 on gas

Is this a typo? How can it be that low? I know usage varies but basically you must not do much more than turn on a light sometimes and take a shower now and again, if those figures are right?

SheeplessAndCounting · 28/07/2022 03:38

PuzzledObserver · 28/07/2022 01:39

we are on moderate household income (£70k)

Is that moderate these days?? Gross or take-home? Median full-time earnings are around £29K, I believe.

20 years ago I worked in IT and earned close to £40K including bonus. Then I moved into a vocational occupation and took an instant pay cut. Over the years, I guess I have lost touch with what professional people typically earn these days. Now I’m retired and can only dream of a household income of £70K.

OTOH - no mortgage, no kids, no commuting….

Median salary is £31k now I believe so that means a totally average couple living together would have a household income of £62k (pre tax). So yeah, £70k seems "moderate" i.e. close to the average.

BarbaraofSeville · 28/07/2022 03:42

Based on the screenshot posted above by @PeloAddict the actual costs are £36 pm for electricity and £25 for gas so its likely she's using up credit on her account.

But a demonstration of how the monthly direct debit figure is not the same as how much your bill is, so something people should be aware of.

BarbaraofSeville · 28/07/2022 03:45

SheeplessAndCounting · 28/07/2022 03:38

Median salary is £31k now I believe so that means a totally average couple living together would have a household income of £62k (pre tax). So yeah, £70k seems "moderate" i.e. close to the average.

How many households have 2 full time workers though?

When you take into account the number of part time workers and SAHP, £70k is probably quite a bit above the median.

SheeplessAndCounting · 28/07/2022 03:46

Thanks, I missed that post. That makes more sense.

I'm sure nobody is judging whay they actually owe/ will owe based on DD amounts, are they? 🤣🤦🏻‍♀️ You just get the usage and multiplu up by the unit cost obviously. Confused

Twilightimmortal · 28/07/2022 04:19

I wish my fire place wasn't boarded up.
I wonder how many homes have real fire places nowadays.
It would've helped a lot.

SheeplessAndCounting · 28/07/2022 04:30

A real fire is food for the soul in winter as well as the body. I expect many people will be using previously disused fireplaces!

SheeplessAndCounting · 28/07/2022 05:02

Friars23 · 28/07/2022 01:17

An article by a Labour member of the House of Lords, Prem Sikka, suggesting ways govt could help address this crisis. I expect the government will not entertain these suggestions as not part of their economic model :(

“The cost-of-living-crisis has become an existential threat to a large part of the UK population. The annual rate of inflation, as measured by the Retail Price Index, has risen to 11.8% and is expected to climb and further deplete people’s purchasing power.

People’s capacity to manage the economic crisis is depleted by shrinking incomes. During 1970 to 2007, real wages grew by 33%, but fell to below zero in the 2010s. The government is now offering a pay rise of 4%-5% to public sector workers, which is likely to become a benchmark for many private sector workers. This is effectively another pay cut in real terms. The government plans suggest that real wages in the UK are forecast to shrink by 6.2%, or average of £1,750, over the next two years. Meanwhile, the rich with pay packets above £170,000 secured an 11% pay rise.

Corporate profiteering is responsible for nearly 60% of the current rise in inflation. Oil, gas and energy companies have been declaring record profits and dividends. In winter this year, the average annual domestic energy bill is expected to increase to nearly £3,363, nearly three times the cost of a year ago. The government has given some help to households but none to schools, hospitals or businesses. The majority of households will receive a grant of £550, leaving them to find the rest. In essence, the grant will be handed straight-back to energy companies. This fails to check profiteering and the rate of inflation.

The Joseph Rowntree Foundation estimates that low income families will hand over 26% of their income after housing costs in 2023/24 to pay for gas and electricity compared to just 12% two years previously. A single, childless, working-age person on a low income can expect to pay 67% of their income to meet energy costs. Working-age lone-parent low-income families will lose almost a third (35%) of their income to energy bills.

Millions lack saving buffers to manage the crisis. Some 1.3 million families had no savings even before the pandemic. Nearly half of all families had savings worth less than a month’s income. Some 8.2 million UK households, one-in-three, are expected to be in fuel poverty.

Millions of Brits face the choice of living in a cold home, going without food and other essentials, not paying bills, and getting even deeper into debt. There is a strong prospect of riots and social disorder.

The Tory government is not the one for listening but it needs to change its policies to avert a deeper crisis. At the very least, it needs to do the following.

1.Immediately increase the state pension, benefits and wages in line with inflation to give people some breathing space.

  1. Cap energy price rises. Earlier this year, France capped gas and electricity prices at 4%, whilst they increased by 54% in the UK and filled the coffers of energy companies. Capping reduces the rate of inflation and prevents high energy cost from feeding into consumer prices for food, and essentials
  1. Bring energy companies into public ownership. France is fully nationalising EDF to increase the government’s policy options.

Any mention of public ownership sends neoliberals into cold shivers and raises the question about how this will be financed. Governments which have handed £895bn of quantitative easing to speculators can also use the same process to bring the energy sector into public ownership. If that is considered to be inflationary, then the appropriate amount of cash can be removed from circulation via taxes on those with the broadest shoulders.

Those not convinced by this argument need to be reminded that public ownership results in acquisition of assets. These assets can be used to borrow money or sell bonds to finance the acquisition. This is essentially the business model of private equity and can be used for public ownership.

  1. Reduce demand for energy by encouraging people to use public transport at affordable prices. Since 2020, residents of Luxembourg have been able to ride trains and buses throughout the country without buying tickets. In Spain, travel across commuter routes on certain parts of the state-owned rail network will be free from 1 September until the end of the year. In June, Germany launched a €9 unlimited monthly travel pass giving people unlimited travel on public transport throughout the country.

Such policies, funded out of taxation, reduce demand for energy; reduce traffic congestion and pollution, improve social mobility; control inflation and help with the cost of living crisis. They are only possible because the transport system is in public ownership.

The same should be possible in the UK.
In 2020-21, the government handed £16.9bn subsidy to railway operators, but this has not prevented high fares as large parts have vanished into dividends and executive payand duplication of administrative costs across more than 100 companies involved in running the railway system. A publicly owned transport system, gives governments more policy options and people a respite from soaring costs.

  1. Make efficient use of energy. Government needs to give poorer households grants to insulate homes.”

leftfootforward.org/2022/07/prem-sikka-here-are-5-immediate-steps-the-government-could-take-to-tackle-the-cost-of-living-crisis/

Prem is a well-known nutter and extremist.

SheeplessAndCounting · 28/07/2022 05:20

How many households have 2 full time workers though?

When you take into account the number of part time workers and SAHP, £70k is probably quite a bit above the median.

Loads!! And if not, the choice for someone to work part time is a luxury that people only do if they have one higher earner and can afford it. I'm a single parent so do everything, but it's not at all unusual for families to have two full-time working parents these days, is it?

anotherbrewplease · 28/07/2022 06:03

Prem Sikka is an Emeritus Professor of Accounting at the University of Essex and the University of Sheffield, a Labour member of the House of Lords

Still - he seems to be a well qualified and respected 'nutter' as you put it.

The mahoosive elephant in the corner with all this is climate change. France has the right idea with using nuclear power. The UK may disappear under the sea and we won't need to worry about cold winters as it will be warm year round.

Parsnippity · 28/07/2022 06:04

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Sally090807 · 28/07/2022 06:57

Unlike other countries in Europe, the UK is in no way dependent on Russian gas supply. Our single largest source of gas is from the UK Continental Shelf and the vast majority of imports come from reliable suppliers such as Norway.

There are no gas pipelines directly linking the UK with Russia and imports from Russia made up less than 4% of total UK gas supply in 2021.

Great Britain’s highly diverse supply sources include pipelines from the UK and Norway continental shelf, interconnectors with the continent, and 3 liquified natural gas (LNG) terminals, providing Britain with one of the largest LNG import infrastructures in Europe. Germany, for example, has no LNG import terminals.

Shehasadiamondinthesky · 28/07/2022 06:58

My heating will be off this winter. I've bought fluffy beds for the cats and heat pads and extra thick hoodies for me. My daughter in law which is type 1 diabetic will get the electric blanket. It will be like being back in my childhood on the 1960s but at last we have double glazing now. Im terrified about how the NHS and others are going to pay for heating.
Meanwhile the tories are fighting each other and having a leadership contest.chuck them out.

skyblueeyez · 28/07/2022 07:07

suppose its the long term price for supporting Ukraine. if we don't bite the bullet (pardon the pun) now and put up with higher costs Russia will be a greater threat to our security.

Rutland2022 · 28/07/2022 07:08

PuzzledObserver · 28/07/2022 01:39

we are on moderate household income (£70k)

Is that moderate these days?? Gross or take-home? Median full-time earnings are around £29K, I believe.

20 years ago I worked in IT and earned close to £40K including bonus. Then I moved into a vocational occupation and took an instant pay cut. Over the years, I guess I have lost touch with what professional people typically earn these days. Now I’m retired and can only dream of a household income of £70K.

OTOH - no mortgage, no kids, no commuting….

This comes from 2 salaries of roughly £40k and £26k gross and some net rental income. It equates to £4.5k pcm net approx. Currently our oil and electricity equates to about £200pcm averaged over the year.

Median income is £31.4k, we are above that, which I would consider moderate. Definitely not low, above average but not high.

We have a mortgage, high childcare costs (nursery), but as I said we can absorb some increase and have options not available to others by virtue of electric cars and no gas.

Everyone I know in IT earns at least £60k each by the way….

anniegun · 28/07/2022 07:08

The government could prioritise helping people. Instead they are reducing tax on the banks and allowing energy companies to make billions on the back of these prices. Their donors cheer them on whilst ordinary people will drown in debt

cremeeggsonboxingday · 28/07/2022 07:14

SheeplessAndCounting · 28/07/2022 04:30

A real fire is food for the soul in winter as well as the body. I expect many people will be using previously disused fireplaces!

We plan to! Never used it in the 9 years we've lived in this house

KangarooKenny · 28/07/2022 07:16

SheeplessAndCounting · 28/07/2022 04:30

A real fire is food for the soul in winter as well as the body. I expect many people will be using previously disused fireplaces!

I hope they get the chimney cleaned first !

Monika007 · 28/07/2022 07:18

dontpay.uk/ yes, we should stop paying as a nation!

Northernsoullover · 28/07/2022 07:18

I'm going to be fine . I'm going to be doing 60 hour weeks for the foreseeable just so I can heat my house to be 'fine' though 🙄. However, I am lucky to be young enough to do this but old enough not to have to worry about leaving my children who are now teens to do this extra work what the disabled going to do? The elderly? Lone parents with young children? If they don't freeze to death their houses will fill with mould.
I'm exhausted but at least I can go and earn a bit more. Millions do not have that option.

Cailin66 · 28/07/2022 07:20

Daysy · 27/07/2022 20:46

DH has just told me ours is going to rise 80% from where it is now in October so at least 6k a year.

Mine has gone up north of that, same consumption. So my monthly has nearly doubled. I’m thinking of increasing even that as I fear it will go higher,

BarbaraofSeville · 28/07/2022 07:21

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Well the French government have implemented heavy subsidies to reduce their increase to 4% but it will be a cold day in hell (pun intended) before our government shows similar compassion and accommodation for its more vulnerable citizens.

MargotMoon · 28/07/2022 07:27

Cheesecakeandwineinasuitcase · 27/07/2022 20:46

It’s terrifying and yet all new sites such as the Dm focus on is the Tory Leadership contest. This is unprecedented. I’m surprised this isn’t all over the news to be honest. Why aren’t there any Cobra meetings on this? It’s such a massive threat to so many people. I just can’t understand the lack of action.

Apols if someone has mentioned this already, I haven't RTFT but there was a Cobra meeting about the cost of living crisis which Johnson didn't attend. Think it was around the time when all the ministers were resigning so he was more concerned about his own situation.

LivingOnAnIsland · 28/07/2022 07:38

One of my friends recently had no heating (his choice) for a winter. He survived by putting on extra layers during the day and taking a hot water bottle to bed at night. It was extremely unpleasant, but he saved a fortune. I think we are used to a certain level of comfort, but most of us can survive without it.