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Energy bill price cap predicted to go to £3850 - 3 x what it was a year ago

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cakeorwine · 27/07/2022 20:40

There is an AIBU here - but really it's posting for traffic

Russia is having 'maintainance issues' so has reduced the gas flow to Europe to a low level.

Gas prices have soared again.

Price cap prediction - £3850 - about 3 x what it was a year ago.

This is going to affect all of us

www.theguardian.com/money/2022/jul/27/uk-energy-bills-forecast-to-hit-3850-pounds-russia-cuts-gas-supply-further-europe-pipeline

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ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 31/07/2022 22:08

lt appears that unless you live in the mountains it’s shorter and warmer than the U.K.

Winter in the North of England where l live starts in October and carries on until April.

Energy bill price cap predicted to go to £3850 - 3 x what it was a year ago
Proudboomer · 31/07/2022 22:12

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 31/07/2022 21:47

Where is this very cold country that doesn’t have much central heating? Poland? Canada? I believe Iceland and Norway have well heated houses so I’m kind of intrigued.

Does where yoh live have that horrible cold mist and muzzle that seeps into walls creating damp, or is it a dry cold? Because Britain is damp.

Romania doesn’t have much in the way of central heating. I have extended family who live in rural Romania not far from the Hungarian boarder. The housing is single story with thick walls with a gap in the wall between the rooms where there is a wood burner. The cooker is a wood burner too. No gas to the village at all. There will be snow a good couple of ft deep for several months in winter.

AppleBottomRats · 31/07/2022 22:13

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 31/07/2022 22:08

lt appears that unless you live in the mountains it’s shorter and warmer than the U.K.

Winter in the North of England where l live starts in October and carries on until April.

You need to move to the SE! Grin It’s way milder and not as damp down here, we don’t have the mizzle you mentioned where I live. April down here is usually quite warm. We usually only use the heating December-February.

Greentime101 · 31/07/2022 22:29

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TurquoisePterodactyl · 01/08/2022 01:32

Nobody is sitting around in shorts an t-shirt at 20 degrees. That isn't hot, it's normal room temperature. My thermostat is set at 21 degrees in winter and that's with a jumper on and a layer underneath.

This. Not everybody feels cold or heat the same.

TurquoisePterodactyl · 01/08/2022 01:35

Againstmachine · 28/07/2022 18:05

Nobody is sitting around in shorts an t-shirt at 20 degrees. That isn't hot, it's normal room temperature. My thermostat is set at 21 degrees in winter and that's with a jumper on and a layer underneath.

It is warm though and you don't need a jumper at that temperature.

YOU might not. Other people do.

TurquoisePterodactyl · 01/08/2022 01:39

I agree. DS had a maths question for homework, would you be wearing a t-shirt or jumper at 20 degrees. Answer was t-shirt.

How is this maths?

TurquoisePterodactyl · 01/08/2022 01:42

It must have said Celsius, I wasn't copying it out from something in front of me. My 85 year old grandmother would be in a jumper, but I'd think it would be pretty clear cut for a KS1 child or their parent.

Nope.

And as people have said not a maths question. Is his teacher qualified?

TurquoisePterodactyl · 01/08/2022 01:47

21 is a bloomin sauna.

Normal room temperature is subjective

^^ 🤦🏻‍♀️🤔

Do you bot see the contradiction between your two assertions?

TurquoisePterodactyl · 01/08/2022 01:54

SweatyAndGrumpy · 29/07/2022 15:32

Surely the media angle wouldn't be about forewarning people - it'd be about how successive governments have failed to prioritise energy security, despite the world's biggest energy producers being China, the US, Russia and Saudia Arabia and us having, historically, difficult relationships with 3/4 of them.

Too many of our governments have had their heads in the sand over this and food security.

Yup. Idiots.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 01/08/2022 09:03

I’d be in a jumper at 20 degrees.

supadupapupascupa · 01/08/2022 09:15

Our house is set at 21 BUT it's draughty.
We have a curtain over the front door, chimney sheep in the fireplaces unless in use, high ceilings and single glazing to most of the windows.
I couldn't turn it down!

Lovecats27 · 01/08/2022 16:20

I will carry on paying the same amount I have always paid and afford.
No way will I starve my self or my son to pay those ridiculously high bills. At the end of the day they legally cannot cut the gas and electric if you have a young child.
Not ideal, but hey ho if the big CEOs of those companies can brag how much profit they made from over charging us why can't we f..k them right back by only paying what we can afford?

GreenLunchBox · 02/08/2022 01:54

Lovecats27 · 01/08/2022 16:20

I will carry on paying the same amount I have always paid and afford.
No way will I starve my self or my son to pay those ridiculously high bills. At the end of the day they legally cannot cut the gas and electric if you have a young child.
Not ideal, but hey ho if the big CEOs of those companies can brag how much profit they made from over charging us why can't we f..k them right back by only paying what we can afford?

I don't understand why so many people on here are overpaying. It's like they think it's like overpaying your mortgage Confused

Scottishskifun · 02/08/2022 02:25

@GreenLunchBox I think people want a buffer if they overpay it builds up and means their dd shouldn't change above the price cap or if fixed rate then staying at that rate.

I overpay because it keeps my dd at the same level if not optionnof reducing to less because of the buffer.

cakeorwine · 02/08/2022 07:46

Scottishskifun · 02/08/2022 02:25

@GreenLunchBox I think people want a buffer if they overpay it builds up and means their dd shouldn't change above the price cap or if fixed rate then staying at that rate.

I overpay because it keeps my dd at the same level if not optionnof reducing to less because of the buffer.

I think people would have to significantly over pay as the increased costs will outweigh any build up.

I think some people are going to shocked at the 'monthly' bill in the winter months this year because the cost of gas per unit could be over double what it was last winter in the months when usage is high.

I dread to think what people's DD's will be - and I don't hear much advice to people telling them how to reduce their usage.

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Blondeshavemorefun · 02/08/2022 09:43

I’m overpaying £100 a month and have since April so hopefully when use heating in October that I can afford to if that makes sense

Blondeshavemorefun · 02/08/2022 09:45

They worked out what my usage was and that divided by 12 is what I’m paying monthly so yes tech my account is in credit at the moment but won’t be later

TillyTheTeddy · 02/08/2022 09:55

Just done our readings for July and got bill - £85.44 Electricity and £17.72 Gas. We use gas for hot water and cooking. 2 of us in a 3 bed detached ( well insulated) with 2 fridge freezers, 1 chest, washing machine used every 3 days and dryer rarely used this month. TV on usually 4 hours a day. Guests every other weekend. £69.47 electricity used £11.90 standing charge.

TillyTheTeddy · 02/08/2022 09:56

£8.58 gas usage and standing£8.30. We will be monitoring gas heating in the winter closely.

PuzzledObserver · 04/08/2022 10:34

Re overpaying (or not):

I am with Octopus, who allow you to set your own level of DD via the website. I imagine there are limits, like they won’t allow you to pay £2.50 if you are using £300 a month or something, but so far I haven’t found those limits. I have both reduced and increased my DD to suit myself.

I watch my energy use like a hawk. Initially it was just electricity, because I have an EV, solar panels and battery which are still quite new, so I am still very interested in seeing how they perform. Then last winter Octopus ran a campaign to help people reduce gas usage, so I started watching gas as well. I also became very clued up on tariff options and this has worked out well for me (so far).

At the end of January I chose to make a one-off payment and increase my DD, because although my electricity tariff was fixed until November and I knew I would soon start receiving credits for both exporting excess generation and my share in the Ripple wind cooperative, I also knew the rate I paid for gas would soon go up (was on SVR at that time) and predicted to go up again in the Autumn. So I decided I would build up a nice big buffer over the summer. At that time, it was anticipated prices would start coming down in April 2023, though that no longer looks likely. The lowest my account reached was -£66 in mid February and it’s been rising ever since. It’s now £234, of which £175 is the extra I’ve chosen to pay at £25 per month.

If it came to November and I was tons in credit, I could drop my DD and give myself a payment holiday over the Christmas period. If it got to November and I was starting to eat into the credit, well hopefully it would buffer me through the winter and I wouldn’t need to increase my DD much, if at all. Manageable outgoings are important to me - we are one year into our early retirement, and currently living (in a planned way) on regular withdrawals from investments rather than a pension. So while we could withdraw more to give ourselves a ‘pay rise,’ we want to avoid that as long as possible. We moved into a new build a year ago and it took them 8 months to decide on our Council Tax band. So we are now paying 20 months of CT over 12 months, which amounts to £380 per month, but from April that will drop a lot - don’t know what next year’s rates will be, but we will only be paying 12 months, not 20. If I can keep our monthly outgoings within budget until then, we should then have more slack.

So what I’m driving at is that I am closely monitoring energy use, the prices I’m paying and the direction of the market, and I am managing my DD myself to keep things under control. There may be price shocks ahead, but no surprises, e.g. when our current gas tariff ends in April, I may very well need to increase the DD in preparation for the following winter, But by then the CT will have dropped, so should be manageable.

Having been in the house a year, I’ve just calculated our total usage:

gas 9,700 kWh
electricity 3,050kWh

Electricity should be no more than 2,500kWh per year from now on as the solar was installed part way through the year. 80% of my electricity is at 7.5p during the cheap 4 hour window, the rest of the time it’s 40.9p - I’ve just fixed at that for the next year, and swallowed the more than doubling of the standing charge and day rate. I’m anticipating an annual electricity bill of around £550.

My gas is on a Tracker tariff which moves with wholesale prices - but capped at 6p until April. People joining the tariff now have a 16p cap, and a higher standing charge. If I assume that by next April the cap will have gone to 20p, my maximum gas bill for the next year will be £800

Total annual bill £1,350, minus about £300 credits from the wind turbine and £50 for export, leaving £1,000 for me to pay. But the government are going to give me £400 towards it, so I only need to pay £600.

Conclusion: my DD of £75 will be enough. But I will continue watching my usage, and the market, and adjust if I need to.

PuzzledObserver · 04/08/2022 10:38

I think some people are going to shocked at the 'monthly' bill in the winter months this year because the cost of gas per unit could be over double what it was last winter in the months when usage is high.

More like triple. I was paying 3.97p on the standard variable rate last winter. I doubt the rate from October is going to be less than 11p and could easily be more. Unless the Government intervene in some meaningful way - but they’re too busy electing the next Prime Minister to worry about minor details like running the country.

PuzzledObserver · 04/08/2022 10:45

I dread to think what people's DD's will be - and I don't hear much advice to people telling them how to reduce their usage.

Octopus ran a gas savings campaign last winter with tips to help people reduce usage. The ones which made a noticeable difference for us were turning down the flow and hot water temperatures on the boiler (flow now 55, going to try even lower next winter to see if the house is still comfortable; hot water now 50, could have taken it lower but DH likes stupidly hot baths) and switching from Comfort to Eco mode on the hot water. Together that’s 10-15% reduction in our gas usage.

AndreaC67 · 04/08/2022 10:50

MarshaBradyo · 29/07/2022 18:58

Currently we’re on 7.919p per kWh for gas

Fixed is Unit rate: 15.752p per kWh

in discussions re what to do

Wow that is super cheap, well done for tying yourselves into that fixed rate !