Energy bill price cap predicted to go to £3850 - 3 x what it was a year ago

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There is an AIBU here - but really it's posting for traffic

Russia is having 'maintainance issues' so has reduced the gas flow to Europe to a low level.

Gas prices have soared again.

Price cap prediction - £3850 - about 3 x what it was a year ago.

This is going to affect all of us

www.theguardian.com/money/2022/jul/27/uk-energy-bills-forecast-to-hit-3850-pounds-russia-cuts-gas-supply-further-europe-pipeline

A couple of our insurances have gone down

I heat 24/7 at a steady, low level to use the thermal mass of the very thick solid walls of the house. The energy use is much lower than trying to heat up twice a day and it's better for the boiler and cheaper. Not heating would lead to condensation and mould.

More advice on energy use and insulation that's appropriate to different house types would be helpful. I've heard a lot of cavity wall insulation in modern properties has caused problems with mould and rusted the internal wall ties, with removal causing more problems. The industry warned that this would be a problem but grant schemes went ahead.

I wouldn't use the term rare but we do have a limited supply. There are different figures floating around but it is generally accepted that we have less than 50 years worth of gas and oil left.

You also have to take into account the EROI (energy return on (energy) invested. Years ago oil was easily accessible, the cartoons showing characters drilling into the ground and oil cascading out wasn't too far from the truth. As we have burnt through supplies we are having to put more energy in to reach the remaining oil. As we get closer to a ratio of 1:1, 1 barrel of oil expended to get 1 barrel out it becomes pointless.

I've got a log burner but I don't think that wood is really any cheaper the gas

In turbulent times, goverments can end up changing every few months.

I'm not sure what your point is - my point is that there are plenty of people who are incredibly wasteful of energy. No, I'm not worried about them

LivingOnAnIsland - I'm so sorry 🙈 I misread and thought this was a 'back in the day everyone was cold; we're too used to heating now; if you're worried then be like that one person wearing shorts in the snow and using their oven once a week; people just need to toughen up etc etc'. Apologies.

If I were you, I would be finding out.

I wouldnt call them rare either, hence my post.

Plus calling them finite - well there is only one world so that is a given.

The real point is is there enough. Or enough for those that want it. Well we havent run out yet!

You are suggesting we dont use the 50 years now, so that there is some in 50 years time?

Who knows what will have been invented/found/made cheaper in 50 years time.

I am always a great believer in the here and now.

Do you think we have found all the oil/gas/coal in the world? Really?

How very short sighted.

Apart from those in special circumstances, extra expense or doing without is worth it to save our planet. As Greta Thunberg said, we will all die soon if we don't look after the planet. Luckily, those in power took notice.

If our government had any balls, that green levy would be double. Roll on the days when the Green Party and Lib Dems hold the balance of power.

If you're fit and healthy, layer up and eat more raw foods.

We live in a rural area and go out after a windy day to collect what's lying around. Saves us a good few days of central heating over the winter

That's my actual annual cost
I pay £60 DD but obviously I get it's fixed on the rate not the DD
At the minute I'm using the lower amount (£25 ish electric, £10 gas) because well, summer
And I've always been stingy with making sure stuff is turned off etc

No. I would suggest we use what we have left into researching alternatives. I personally don't think it is fair on future generations to sit in shorts and t-shirt with the heating on max whilst consuming at ridiculous levels.

Exactly

It does feel like it's deliberately being made as expensive as possible

North Sea oil was meant to be our savior once , what happened there ?
It is scary how much it's going up by whatever your circumstances or income.
You can't get blood out of a stone and many will just end up not paying it
The 400 is welcome in October, but for many it won't go far enough.

Yes and use the profits they are making to do the green research instead rather than fleecing the customers

Not sure if it has been mentioned already but I don't understand why energy companies are allowed to make such large profits:

www.theguardian.com/business/live/2022/jul/28/shell-profits-record-households-cost-of-living-us-economy-gdp-business-live

Here we all are debating about putting extra layers on and these fuckers are making billions. They are profiting off others misery. It shouldn't be allowed.

You’re only talking about co2 production here. Since we import so much, we must also consider co2 consumption too. Because if we don’t, then we’re simply offshoring our emissions to other countries.

Totally agree but they don't do it. I did read an article that said BJ and Nicol's sturgeon had words as he told her that oil reserves are opening up again. Little nippy isn't keen on this idea apparently 🙄

very worrying

Where I work the air conditioning/ heating comes on automatically at 7am every day regardless of whether there is anyone using the room or not.

The thing I find shocking is that they are allowed to make zillions out of our misery. If they are profiteering surely they should reduce their prices? I'm unsure how it works tbh.

Yet the UK is currently pumping it's own supply of natural gas out to the EU as fast as it possibly can. EU countries are stock piling gas reserves in preparation for the winter and all we can do is help them, whilst digging our own hole deeper.

That's disgusting when the UK citizens need it

How is that being allowed?