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Energy bill price cap predicted to go to £3850 - 3 x what it was a year ago

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cakeorwine · 27/07/2022 20:40

There is an AIBU here - but really it's posting for traffic

Russia is having 'maintainance issues' so has reduced the gas flow to Europe to a low level.

Gas prices have soared again.

Price cap prediction - £3850 - about 3 x what it was a year ago.

This is going to affect all of us

www.theguardian.com/money/2022/jul/27/uk-energy-bills-forecast-to-hit-3850-pounds-russia-cuts-gas-supply-further-europe-pipeline

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Manekinek0 · 28/07/2022 09:45

The situation is dire and the poorest will suffer terribly this winter (I am hoping it is mild). But many really do need to manage their expectations. We do not have an infinite supply of fossil fuels. Even if we could keep prices low now we would just be kicking the can down the road.

We didn't turn out heating on until December last year and it's been off since march. Me and DH share baths so use as little as possible there. I would fully recommend a dehumidifier. We have a freezing cold, damp bedroom and before buying the dehumidifier we would have to put the heating on just to try and keep the mould in check.

We can afford the price increases but I don't believe anyone should have their home heated to 20+ degrees whilst sitting round in short and t-shirts. After years of cheap energy we have ridiculous expectations.

MarshaBradyo · 28/07/2022 09:51

AndreaC74 · 28/07/2022 08:34

The Govt could do plenty before we have to condemn people to freezing temperatures and the thing you don't address - Damp, which kill many people off.

Energy companies are making billions out of this crisis and if the French can nationalise EDF, then we could nationalise north sea Gas, stop it being sold on world markets and sell it to UK consumers for cost.

I don’t know how this would work, does the gov effectively pay a market rate for company? How much would it cost?

I’d prefer a solution that helps everyone rather than cash to bank accounts so maybe, not sure re reality of it

caramac04 · 28/07/2022 09:51

Is the cap going to rise to 6k? People will die.
Nurseries and care homes, as well as schools and childminders will not be able to absorb this rise and will need to charge more to keep the more vulnerable reasonably warm.
Why are shareholders being paid dividends?

My dd has gone up from £76 pm (and £250 in credit) to £278 and I’ve paid £400 lump sum in addition. I can’t afford this and we’re definitely not skint.
I think I need to see if there are local groups rallying to publicly protest. I’ve never done this before but I am genuinely worried for so many this winter. I’m looking at buying joggers and suchlike to wear for warmth and I’ve dug out my old thermals. I don’t want to live in fear of heating bills but recognise that the fabric of our house will deteriorate if not heated.

pd339 · 28/07/2022 09:51

Manekinek0 · 28/07/2022 09:45

The situation is dire and the poorest will suffer terribly this winter (I am hoping it is mild). But many really do need to manage their expectations. We do not have an infinite supply of fossil fuels. Even if we could keep prices low now we would just be kicking the can down the road.

We didn't turn out heating on until December last year and it's been off since march. Me and DH share baths so use as little as possible there. I would fully recommend a dehumidifier. We have a freezing cold, damp bedroom and before buying the dehumidifier we would have to put the heating on just to try and keep the mould in check.

We can afford the price increases but I don't believe anyone should have their home heated to 20+ degrees whilst sitting round in short and t-shirts. After years of cheap energy we have ridiculous expectations.

Spot on. Talk of people "freezing" on a large scale this winter is nonsense. The amount of heating of homes over the Winter in this country is ridiculous. People just need to adjust their expectations. Fossil fuels need to be treated like the rare, important commodity they are rather than used to make people hot in the Winter.

PuzzledObserver · 28/07/2022 09:55

Thanks, @Rutland2022 - it’s as I suspected, I have lost track of what professional people earn. But then also of the level of some outgoings.

When we retired, we had to start paying council tax, water rates and broadband costs after two decades of having them provided. Now that was a shock to the system.

In our last year of working, I was bringing home £1,550 a month and DH (part time) £750, plus we had rental income of £1,350, although we tried to live within our earnings - we used the rental income to upgrade our holidays from OK to comfortable and saved the rest. But as I say, we didn’t pay the council tax, water or broadband/phone, or maintain the tied house we lived in.

For the first phase of retirement we are taking an income of £2,500 per month, which is £200 more than when we were working. But the extra outgoings are a lot more than that, and we are still adjusting to our new lifestyle. I watch the current account far more closely than I had since I was first starting out.

Don’t get me wrong - we have plenty of slack to adjust our spending and I do think we will cope. But I confess to more than the odd moment of wondering whether galloping inflation and reduced investment returns are going to hit home - plus the fact that our pensions have index-linking, but it is capped, and several years of 10% inflation would make a significant real terms reduction. We retired early with the expectation of being comfortable and being able to pursue interests, travel etc - not to worry about bills.

One choice we made was to switch to an electric car and install solar panels and battery, and invest in a community-owned wind turbines. Exchanging capital now for lower running costs in the future. Those decisions have turned out to be better than I could possibly have imagined and have considerably reduced the impact of fuel price rises.

PS I imagine that had I stayed in IT I would have been on £70K by the time I finished, and DH on more cos he was management. But we opted for the vocational path, which is less financially rewarding and more stressful, resulting in the desire to retire early and reduce lifetime earnings even further.

Nothappyatwork · 28/07/2022 09:57

SheeplessAndCounting · 28/07/2022 05:02

Prem is a well-known nutter and extremist.

The exact terminology applied to Disralie when he proposed the poor laws

ancientgran · 28/07/2022 09:57

Do you think Johnson might have engineered his exit so he won't be around for this and can then make a glorious return to "save" us?

ancientgran · 28/07/2022 10:06

Hrpuffnstuff1 · 28/07/2022 09:21

I work in the domestic utility maintenance sector you'd be surprised how many people have the Roomstat set to 21c all year round. Some even have the stat set to max especially the infirm and elderly. My own parents had their stat set to 21c. Only in the colder months though.
I asked them and there were adding an extra £25 a month to cover the extra cost. I think they're in substantial credit. Plus they go on holiday for a month at a time, so they're not really around much.
It really is like a greenhouse in some properties. Not particularly pleasant to work in. Drenched.

I think the bills may hit an average of £5000 a yr at the current rate of increase which is obviously not sustainable. However, government intervention will encourage old usage patterns. People do need to be aware that there isn't a bottomless pit of energy.
However, the government is working on the Eco4 grant scheme, they need to inform every household via a marketing campaign.

My husband is disabled, not only does he need more heat because he can't move around to keep warm but the house being cold makes his pain worse so yes we use alot of gas/electricity. He also has various aids that use electricity, I couldn't get him out of bed if we didn't have an electric bed that will sit him up. Then there is washing. We don't go out much because of his disability so the house is heated all day, computers/tvs on alot.

I'm frightened to think of what our bills will be.

Getoff · 28/07/2022 10:14

BarbaraofSeville · 28/07/2022 07:21

Well the French government have implemented heavy subsidies to reduce their increase to 4% but it will be a cold day in hell (pun intended) before our government shows similar compassion and accommodation for its more vulnerable citizens.

Energy subsidies are an incredibly stupid way to deal with the problem. You reduce the incentive for people to economise on consumption, and the majority of the money goes to people who would have been able to afford the higher bills, instead of it all being focused on those who can't.

The most logical and straight-forward way to deal with some people not being able to afford the cost of living is to alter the mainstream benefits system, Universal Credit, to address the problem. That way, all spending is targeted at those who most need it, but even they still have every incentive to economise on consumption as much as possible.

MikeWozniaksMoustache · 28/07/2022 10:14

What I don’t understand is, our bills are looking at ani £160 / month but British Gas have increased our DD to £300?!? Need to call to reduce it as you can’t do that online surprise surprise. After my last catastrophe with them I’m loathed to but I don’t understand why they’ve charged us so much more. Bellends.

Freddiefox · 28/07/2022 10:17

How much are you using? When you get your statement how much is it?. Is the 300 to try to get you in credit now for when it’s winter? So you are paying the same amount every month?

lightand · 28/07/2022 10:20

Who says fossil fuels are rare?

Hrpuffnstuff1 · 28/07/2022 10:21

Getoff · 28/07/2022 10:14

Energy subsidies are an incredibly stupid way to deal with the problem. You reduce the incentive for people to economise on consumption, and the majority of the money goes to people who would have been able to afford the higher bills, instead of it all being focused on those who can't.

The most logical and straight-forward way to deal with some people not being able to afford the cost of living is to alter the mainstream benefits system, Universal Credit, to address the problem. That way, all spending is targeted at those who most need it, but even they still have every incentive to economise on consumption as much as possible.

You reduce the incentive for people to economize on consumption.
But even they still have every incentive to economize on consumption as much as possible.

I agree but people seem to be either missing this hidden in plain sight message or ignoring it. The difficulty is the government is being reactionary. They've had a shocking 2 yrs with the pandemic, now straight onto an energy crisis. One blow after another. Rishi's £400 looks like a month's worth of energy usage on current predictions.

lightand · 28/07/2022 10:22

Talk of people "freezing" on a large scale this winter is nonsense.

Have you seen or been in the poorest parts of the UK?

MayThe4th · 28/07/2022 10:23

The reality here though is that this just isn’t sustainable. people will just refuse to pay because they won’t be able to. And while in the short term some will be penalised, if everyone does the same on mass something will have to be done because you can’t go after a whole country.

Many gas companies deliberately keep people in credit hence why bills are higher. But equally many people do waste energy.

I saw a thread recently about heating and the number of people who keep the heating on 24/7 is obscene. There is absolutely 0 need to have the heating on at night. None what so ever. A duvet is a one off payment. Heating the house 24/7 is a bottomless pit of expense.

Similarly plugs, chargers, appliances which are left on. Everything you have on standby is using electricity. Dishwasher, washing machine, do you reset those back to the 0 mark after you’ve used them? Plug sockets, do people switch them off after use?

lightand · 28/07/2022 10:24

As others have said, we will be layering up rather than turning heating on.

I, and many like me struggle with breathing in cold air.

LaingsAcidTab · 28/07/2022 10:29

locomocol · 27/07/2022 22:45

Who are the people who are wealthy but don’t pay much tax?

the wealthy don't tend to get paid via paye

They're still subject to tax though. Most of my income doesn't go through PAYE, but I'm held to exactly the same UK tax requirements.

DahliaDreamer · 28/07/2022 10:30

BBC today: British Gas owner Centrica has resumed payouts to shareholders as UK households come under pressure from rising energy bills.
The company said it was paying an interim dividend of 1p per share, after having suspended it for three years.
It comes as gas prices soar, fuelled by Russia's war in Ukraine.
UK energy bills are expected to rise again in the coming months, with one consultancy warning they could hit £3,850 a year by January.
The announcement of a resumption in dividends came as Centrica reported soaring profits for the first half of the year.
Adjusted operating profit for the six months ending in June rose to £1.34bn from £262m a year earlier.

Now what is the government going to do about that!

Svara · 28/07/2022 10:33

upliftingtwisting · 27/07/2022 22:30

Sounds like you are still on a fixed deal. Anyone out of a fixed deal, on a variable rate had huge increase if 54% in April. Another 78% is predicted in October plus another increase in January.

Mine's slightly higher, bills £50 at the moment, dd £95. I'm fixed 15% above the April cap.

StupidUsernameUnavailable · 28/07/2022 10:34

My DD was upped to £134 in April from £90. Last week I had an email stating that because I'm already £400 in credit with an ACTUAL usage of £75 for the past 2 months they are REDUCING my DD down to £70 as I will be too much in credit 🤦‍♀️

Fundays12 · 28/07/2022 10:35

As a scot who worked in the oil industry for years I am wondering why they are not tapping into the oil reserves we have (which are still substantial). The nuclear and wind energy we have.

lightand · 28/07/2022 10:38

@Fundays12
There is much that could be done in this country, energy wise.

The powers that be[and I am one who subscribes to the theory that we and other countries are not always working to the country's best interest, but another group's best interest] dont wish for it's residents to have the cheapest energy.

lightand · 28/07/2022 10:39

We are now paying the cost of choosing to be greener.

And the cost is high.

lightand · 28/07/2022 10:41

Cheesecakeandwineinasuitcase · 27/07/2022 21:10

No we don’t, because we got rid of our gas storage. Who on earth thought that was a good idea?!

Same people prob who think the other bad things as regards this country.
Not just energy, but morals and too many other things to list here.

BerylBird · 28/07/2022 10:41

StupidUsernameUnavailable · 28/07/2022 10:34

My DD was upped to £134 in April from £90. Last week I had an email stating that because I'm already £400 in credit with an ACTUAL usage of £75 for the past 2 months they are REDUCING my DD down to £70 as I will be too much in credit 🤦‍♀️

I think would refuse the refund as you'll be grateful for that cushion of credit once the winter bills start arriving.