To be done with cyclists (as a car driver).

[bluegardenflowers]

Have cycled in the past but now only drive.

I'm a considerate driver and always allow plenty of room when overtaking and am patient in following the cyclist when it's unsafe to overtake and leave a big gap. I take care when left turning. They are more vulnerable on the road.

Yet I've been sworn at be a cyclist and it's pissing me off.

Yesterday on a busy road I saw the cyclist and was busy scanning ahead to make sure I could give him half a carriageways room to overtake. I started my overtake as he was wafting his arm around and looking back. It wasn't a clear right turn signal more a 30 degree flap around before swerving into the part of the road I was on, and swearing at me.

Ffs. If you want to turn right, stick your bloody arm out fully and make a clear signal. No wonder drivers and cyclists hate each other.

Shows what a poor car driver you would make if you don't understand the basics of reading the road ahead and keeping traffic flowing. I put no one in danger. There were no cars at the junction and no cars near me. The cyclist broke 2 rules of the HC and put himself in danger with his arrogance. Then took his entitlement out on me by swearing at me. Even though I had allowed him the entire carriageway for his safety (won't do that again). I acted in his interest and if it hadn't been for my foresight he would have gone into the side of me.

I can assure you no police car would have stopped me from overtaking where I did. If so the entire road system would grind to a halt.

But you believe your own version.

I didn't cut him up, he passed safely behind me. Please read above. He broke 2 rules of the HC and put himself in danger.

He did look around and he (wrongly) assumed you weren't going to overtake in such an inappropriate place. Should be a good lesson for both of you

@InMySpareTime And he wouldn't have seen my indicators even if I'd used them they were on the other side of the vehicle 🤷🏻‍♀️

He only put himself in danger because your actions were so ambiguous. Do you at least accept that he would interpret your path approaching the junction as a precursor to a right turn?

The traffic is still flowing behind a cyclist. You broke multiple rules to overtake because you wanted to go past, not because otherwise traffic would be at a standstill. Clearly you did not act with foresight otherwise you would have figured that you shouldn’t overtake when approaching a junction that someone might want to take! And you know nothing about my driving.

Shows what a poor car driver you would make if you don't understand the basics of reading the road ahead and keeping traffic flowing.

The traffic that wasn't there?

@OneTC He only looked round when I was already committed to overtaking. You have no idea what was in his mind re where I was overtaking. It's a very wide road as it's on an industrial estate and lorries mostly use it. It's not illegal to overtake approaching a junction, just use caution. I was approaching a junction. I used caution. I looked in all directions.

The HC says this 2 to 169) - THE HIGHWAY CODE

Overtake only when it is safe and legal to do so. ... Be careful about doing so, particularly on the approach to junctions, and especially when deciding ...

Hah... I consider myself traffic 😂

Presumably his hand movements were the signal he was slowing down to turn right? The one on the far right of this image.
Don't you understand that OP?

We need to learn to share the roads with out getting so angry and self righteous about everything

Therefore I saw no hand signal until I was a few feet behind him and way over to his right. Even though he saw me as he looked back, hand flapped and moved simultaneously he continued on his right turn course. He put himself in danger and risked my car. When I saw the hand flap, should I have slammed on my brakes? Even if I had slowed (and I was doing under 30 at the time) he still hadn't left room and I would have hit him, as it was he turned safely behind my car
The more you try to explain yourself the more you evidence how a bad driver you are!

If you left enough space between the bike and you as you should, you should have to slammed on the brakes, just slowed down and moved back to the left.

And indeed, you shouldn't pass in a junction for exactly the scenario you describe, because it is dangerous, because someone might want to turn and indicate after you've started to make your move.

You clearly accelerated to pass him hence why he signaled to you to slow down.

You think he should have slowed down, allowed you to pass him, then probay miss his turn because of you driving badly.

You can turn it around as many time as you wish. YOU were in the wrong as you've now been told over and over. You ARE a dangerous driver by not realising and accepting your error. Scary!

No. See my fabulous drawing. It wasn't anything remotely like those .

I wasn't angry even though he could have hit the side of me and injured himself. he was the angry one.

You're reconstruction of the scene is hilarious. He was not making a slowing down gesture, That an up and down one, by the way, he just dangled it down his side, looked behind him and turned immediately He didn't look beforehand, as the HC states he should. He didn't signal clearly to turn Rule 67, see screenshot, in fact he broke all the Highway Code rules, which I didn't. I approached the junction with caution (I looked), I gave him a whole carriageway for his safety, and I was not rude and obnoxious.

Lesson learned though. In future I will give all cyclists the legal requirement of space and no additional room. That way I would have been no where near the hatched area, and his lack of special awareness and care and attention would probably have landed him in hospital.

Lesson learned though. In future I will give all cyclists the legal requirement of space and no additional room. That way I would have been no where near the hatched area, and his lack of special awareness and care and attention would probably have landed him in hospital.

Nice attitude to potentially killing someone

I'm growing more and more wary of cycling on the roads. 3 cyclists have recently been killed in and around my town by idiots in the cars. 3 more have ended up with serious injuries.

These people are just like you, sooooooo wrong in every way but convinced they know better.

The signal he made was to warn you he was going to slow down and turn. If you were too stupid to understand it, too reckless to decide to slow down just in case, and too entitled to accept how wrong you were, you more than deserved being insulted. You are the driver I fear every time I ride, the irresponsible and clueless, those who kill and still shout that they couldn't possibly be in the wrong. This is why cyclist wear cameras, people like you have been reported to the police and get fines or worse because that's the only thing that maybe just maybe might make you think twice.

As you well know, if the cyclist had indicated too soon, you would be accusing him of signalling too early to see.

You were behind him and he was in front of you. Therefore he has the right of way, including the right to turn right.

The cyclist signalled to turn right and you admit you saw him and ignored his signal, mistaking it for "wafting his arm about".

You need to be travelling at an appropriately slow enough speed to stop if you choose to overtake a cyclist at a junction. You are not supposed to overtake at junctions at all, whether its a car or a cyclist or other road user. Because this sort of mistake can happen.

Don't overtake at junctions.

The position of your car would have implied that you were also turning right at the junction.

Don't overtake at junctions.

Its also possible that the signal the cyclist made, which you interpreted as "wafting his arm about" was the hand signal for you to slow down. Which is waving your arm vertically up and down.

I’m not saying the OP was in the right, but I love the people trying to justify the cyclists half arsed hand signal as the textbook slowing down signal. I’ve definitely seen more of the half arsed I’m going this way from cyclists then the proper clear hand gestures shown in the textbooks.

Lesson learned though. In future I will give all cyclists the legal requirement of space and no additional room.

The lesson should be not to overtake at junctions, FFS.

@bluegardenflowers I would only say that, given your description of the scene and incident, maybe just waiting until after the junction - to see what the cyclist might do, indicating or not - would have been the safest scenario, especially as there was nothing else around.
That's what I would have done. Ad what I would hope for on my own bike. Cyclists are considered a hazard, so best to assume they will be unpredictable - and in some cases, behave in an entitled manner - particularly since the HC changes.

I just went to Tesco on my bike. I live on the edge of a large village/small town, with a smallish store. It takes me five minutes to get there - but I will encounter a double parked road/airport runway...., a busy staggered crossroads, very poor road surfaces, a small shopping precinct with attendant delivery vehicles including one HGV, a couple of zebra crossings - and many drivers in a hurry to get home. (I came back the other day same route in my car, and nearly got taken out at at least one of those junctions!) BUT I am a patient cyclist, and a couple of times stopped and actually waited on the pavement. Other times, cars waited for me to come through, which is always nice! I personally don't think I was an hazard to anyone --- and I also had some shopping on the handlebars, and a Costa in my cup holder. But I AM a hazard nevertheless, and hope that drivers take me into account, and don't hate me or drive dangerously near me because they had a run-in with a different cyclist earlier.

I actually typed HandleBRAs there, and thought about leaving it in.....

[I also have a theory about indicators, and a design for their improvement. I just need to get, say, BMW on board - being as so many of their cars are sold with malfunctioning ones!]

If you were approaching a slow moving car and it started faffing about near a junction would you have still risked an overtake?

I would have risk assessed based on the behaviour of the driver, as I did with the cyclist. Sometimes cars slow down looking for an address then speed up again, not indicating anything, so I could only do what is safe. Which I did.

It's not illegal to overtake when approaching a junction accord g to the HC, just do so with caution, which is exactly what I did FFS (to quote yourself) Read up on the HC before commenting