To think it’s ridiculous that given the NHS recruitment crisis my Dd has been told she can’t do the new T level in nursing due to a lack of placement places.

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She has the course requirements and then some and has been bumped onto a BTec which the government are phasing out.😵‍💫

Can this government organise anything properly?

I'm a nurse lecturer in a university and I couldn't believe it when my friend who teaches ion T levels said that her students will get health placements. I said 'how when we can't even get them for doctors and nurses?'

I think the issue may be that due to recruitment crises there's no one to supervise a placement!

We need more places. 🤷‍♀️🤦‍♀️

It’s nuts. They don’t think anything through. I don’t want her doing a course now deemed of no use which is being phased out potentially half way though her doing it.

This Government have repeatedly refused to agree proper workforce planning with the Healthcare unions. They promise “more nurses/ doctors” with no idea of how they will get them!
it’s all a bloody joke!

The government are trying to get rid of BTEC, I don't think they will. BTEC has been around for years, I' in my 50s and one of my grandfathers did a 'Tec' - the old name before Tec and Bec combined.

T levels will go the way of vocational A Levels and GNVQ I'm sure.

I'm not surprised to be honest. The cohorts on nursing courses have been increased significantly to the point where the quality of learning on the placements will start to become reduced. More universities are doing the courses now as well. They are struggling to find placements for degree level students in a lot of areas. I don't really know what the solution is!

The issue is there are currently not enough qualified staff to mentor students. And newly qualified staff also need a lot of support especially in their first year. It’s not as quick a fix as get loads of people through the doors at uni I’m afraid. Wish it was.

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The BTec is going by 2024 and funding withdrawn. She will be half way through a course she doesn’t want to do. Really tempted to advise her to do something else, but we need more nurses. It’s madness.

Working in an area where sometimes we have more student nurses than staff I can understand why there is no placements for our students.
When the placements are saturated with students I find they don't get the best experience also staff who are fatigued due to their job stresses are also fatigued due to worrying about providing good placements for students and having to teach constantly.
The government definitely don't think these things through! The kind of course your daughter is doing would have suited me down to the ground! It's such as shame!
I done the diploma course (just requiring GCSEs) then topped up to my degree when qualifying.

This government is a bad joke, I would say they can't organise a piss up in a brewery but that is the only thing they can organise.

We need a general election because everything is fucking broken. The Tories have trashed the whole country!

But they’ve told her due to her age she can do bank nursing whilst doing the course. So it’s ok to be in the hospital and be paid getting no training but not to be in hospital unpaid whilst getting training. Lucky patients! It’s madness.

I work in this area, it’s the supervision for the placements that is the issue. There just aren’t enough staff. The ratios expected by the Gvt to qualify for the funding are ridiculous. Wards also rely heavily on bank and agency staff so there is no consistency for the students.

The only way it is properly workable (safely and to ensure a quality, meaningful placement) is to have a cohort of placement students led by one supervisor - but that becomes a full time role on it’s own, with very few nursing hours available. But with the lack of nurses, any and all funding for staff need to be directed to nursing hours.

I am not surprised.....
It is ages ago that they said they would train more doctors and nurses for the NHS and nothing happens.
I hope people starts seriously noticing how incompetent, selfish and arrogant these people are! And stop voting them.
We need someone with integrity, honesty and hard work wired into them.
No these puppets and their money making schemes (for themselves, at that they are the greatest in history!)
They are threatening with reducing the quality of education, at primary and secondary!
And lack of trained people will happen in other areas too, you shall see...

She won't be able to do bank nursing as she's not a nurse. It would be HCA shifts.

Could she consider another route and then go on the degree?

Randomness12

But she’s been told she can do bank nursing whilst she does the BTec and the college are being encouraged to facilitate this.

So there is enough supervision for an unqualified student with zero hospital experience but not for a student learning on the job.

It’s nuts!

I think doing a BTEC is fine. I'd be more worried if my son or daughter was doing a T Level as they aren't taking off as they haven't been thought through. If your daughter got good GCSEs she could also simply do some sciences.

But wouldn’t an HCA need supervision?

bigvig

She has good GCSEs but to get into Uni for a nursing degree it needs to be the btec in health and social care or the new Tlevel in nursing.She wants to do the Tlevel as it has more science and hospital experience. Also the btec is being phased out very soon.

Arent students doing t levels normally 16-18? So that in itself will increase the burden on those providing placements.

sounds like the idea of the course itself has been badly planned and trusts are pushing back at the extra work it will bring them for presumably minimal gain compared to the current routes in.

At my trust/ward HCAs get an induction and shadow others and then that’s it. Work towards care qualifications if needed but aren’t supervised constantly day to day apart from the staff in charge of shift.

Until they figure out how to retain nurses this will keep happening. We don’t have enough nurses to staff the wards/teams and can’t give a student everything that they need. In our trust it’s mainly agency right now.
I do feel for your daughter.

I know quite a few people who have qualified as nurses recently and all have done it through a degree, would that be an option?

So why couldn’t a Tlevel student do that?

Who would want to do a course that is being phased out and not deemed good enough potentially half way through them doing it?

So less students signing up for nursing then during a staffing crisis. This government is truly shit.

i think there’s an issue with more students, we have intakes of student nurses taking up the time of nurses. There are more bank/ agency nurses on shift that won’t be required to fill out paperwork etc for those students. Some of them drop out anyway when they see what nursing/working in the NHS really is.

There really is no one to support these younger students, plus in my experience they do sometimes need more support as they are younger. Lots of situations in hospital occur that can affect even experienced healthcare staff emotionally/mentally.