Port of Dover Critical Incident

[AndreaC74]

Why are we blaming the french? they didn't vote for Brexit and aren't responsible for increasing/paying for extra capacity at the French border posts on UK soil.

Stamping passports is what happens to 3rd country nationals & that adds time, a lot of it, when dealing with 100s of '000s of passengers, plus having recently been to France, i ve seen UK people arguing with French officials because they don't want their passports stamped!

The UK seems incapable of organising anything at the moment, the numbers travelling across the channel is entirely predictable and delays we are now seeing were talked about pre 2016, i remember seeing the graphs on how long the queues would be for just a few seconds of delay for each passenger.... all Project Fear.

Freedom of movement is something the middle class feel entitled to, yes. Having the funds and opportunity to travel overseas is a marker of huge privilege. In my working class family i was the first to travel abroad, and even that was in my twenties. Its revealing that people who gripe that it takes a couple of extra hours to go on holiday often can't imagine the circumstances others are living in that might have caused them to vote differently, hence we must be thick racist red faced sun readers.

Bloody foreigners not coming here. Us being able to carry on going to our holiday homes in.France and Spain, exactly as before. Because we're entitled, and think the annoying rules that apply to others don't apply to us.
(Brexit. I'm not blaming the poor sods stuck in queues!)

@Thatsenoughnow istelling the truth @JaniieJones anyone who lives here will back them up
It’s always been the same

Who thinks it's a good idea to travel on the first weekend of the school summer holidays?

'Having been stuck in slow Border queues into France from UK many a time I can certainly testify that getting through French Border was sometimes a slow job even well before Brexit…the extra checks due UK being a third nation won’t help.'

Is it a general work culture thing? Don't want to sound xenophobic obviously but everytime I've visited France it's all a bit chaotic and slow. Time management doesn't seem high on the agenda over there but I shouldn't generalise maybe it's just the few wtf experiences I've had. Or do they just not like Brits

Whereas everything in Britain runs clockwork. Righty oh!

No one cares about brexit - it’s been and gone!

This is the dimmest thing I’ve read on here. The ramifications have hardly started yet.

What an arrogant and stupid way of thinking. Look at the mess it has landed us in. I know you won't though because you prefer to think that everything is the big, bad EU's fault.

Please tell me you’re pretending to be ironic rather than just moronic? 🤦🏻‍♀️

‘No skin in the game’ and ‘chose to live outside the U.K.’ WTF?

These are BRITISH born highly educated people, many of whom speak several languages fluently and employed because they’re the cream of their profession and who are often head hunted to work with top international companies.

(Which means their entire family will naturally live and work abroad.)

Of course their lives were perfectly nice before Brexit. They had worked dammed hard since school to get to the top of their game and were viewed as a highly valuable asset by overseas employers.

However, Brexit which they didn’t vote for because the idiotic Tory govt. didn’t think it necessary to include them in the vote, has overnight fucked them up. How can the vote be deemed democratic when a proportion of British born people were prevented from voting? These people who still have U.K. bank accounts, still pay tax and NI in the U.K. some circumstances.

The can no longer compete for those jobs in the same way as an EU National as they no longer have FREEDOM OF MOVEMENT BETWEEN EU COUNTRIES.

You obviously think the U.K. can exist within a little bubble with no foreign intervention. Do you even care that U.K. Universities have also lost millions in European funding for research?

Maybe think about that when you chuck in your few quid for cancer research funding or other charity donation, assuming you make any. You do realise that today’s modern cancer treatments only exist because of years of international scientific collaboration?

You think the NHS is struggling now? You ain’t seen nothing yet!

". If only the French were quite so good at stopping the people traffickers sending poor vulnerable refugees on treacherous sea crossings leaving France as they are at causing massive delays on folk legally entering their country."

Not really France's fault that people want to claim asylum in the UK. We could end the smuggling tomorrow if we allowed legal avenues for asylum seekers. I'm sure we would buy them tickets to France instead of Rwanda if we could get away with it.

Not like we would ever delayed lots of Ukrainians entering legally by only opening a desk in Calais with complimentary crisps available...

Well just reading it you should be able to see that it's not Brexit as we left some time ago.

It's entirely up to the French if they want to under staff incoming passport control, but that doesn't just affect the UK. There are other countries in the world (Google it) that are also not in the EU and they will suffer delays too if the French decide to punish every country for not being in the EU.

I doubt that is their plan. I expect there are more sensible and down to earth reasons for this current problem and it will get sorted out.

To blame Brexit would portray the French as sulky uncooperative teenagers which doesn't really fit with the remainer belief that the EU is the home of noble and intellectual citizens who live on a plane beyond the understanding of the riff raff in the UK.

I'm not exaggerating much. You remainers should read each others comments. If I had a penny for every time someone told me "but we have to have the EU in charge or the people WE elected will be making all the decisions!"

Meanwhile. It's really time to move on and get over this obsession. I grew up before the EU existed (before the common market too) and the UK managed to get by ok without the shining example of their moral leadership.

If you looked at a timeline of our history the time we spent in the EU was a little blip near the end.

We tried it and then we decided we'd like to go our own way. There was a referendum (not required but a good idea for long term changes) and it was decided that we'd leave.

Next!

You're hanging your hopes on brexiteer prime minister, Liz Truss? Liz Truss who was a remainer until Brexit won and she realised her career would be damaged if she didn't ditch her principles?

Liz Truss who has opened up new pork markets for the UK in China? That Liz Truss? Liz Truss who wishes that Boris was continuing? Just wanted to make sure.

This one, right? God help us

How does any of that contradict what i said? They chose to live outside of the uk, yes? I can't make a decision for a country that i don't live in. You are essentially saying we should have listened to our betters.

That is because we are yet to have a brexiteer prime minister. Once Liz Truss is in then it will all be sorted

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Christ this is the thread that keeps on giving isn’t it?

’No one cares about Brexit anymore’
’l voted Brexit to stop freedom of movement etc etc… not this’

The brains are really out in force today.

Well said. I'm tired of hearing about what an awful country of utter incompetents the UK is, and how perfect and wonderful all the inhabitants of EU countries are.
Is it not remotely possible that the queues at Dover relate to staffing issues and errors in planning, by the French? After all, they're only human, and are presumably affected by the same Covid challenges as the UK has been. We've seen what's been happening at airports - surely this is more of the same.

Well, those gammon faced fuckwits were kind enough to remove rights I had had since birth, so making them aware of what they did doesn't seem too harsh.

The poster you're quoting likes to do 'joke' posts. Granted it's easy to miss.

Operation Stack was for Lorries, used during, in no particular order... Snow, Strikes, technical probs...

Brock was introduced after the Brexit vote because Highways England knew Stack wouldn't be enough....

Do you not know anything at all?

It amazes me that every year they are surprised by the numbers of people turning up to get a ferry in the summer holidays. Did they not look at the bookings/projected bookings months ago? Why didn't they restrict the bookings if they can't cope/having got the staff? Greed, that's why.

Not helped by France now being the ONLY country now checking Covid passes- for people vaccinated seven months ago. Muppets. They fucked over my holiday last year by pissing about with the Covid rules last minute, and by the time the holiday came round they changed them again, and we could have actually gone - but sadly the airline and accommodation had already cancelled due to the earlier rule change.

It feels like a giant consipracy everywhere to stop anyone doing anything remotely fun and keep people in a state of perpetual stress and anxiety, you must just work and eat and sleep if you are lucky. First we stop you doing anything fun for two years because of the pandemic. Then you have to spend all your money on heating and fuel. And if you are lucky enough to have money left over to spend on a holiday you can't fucking get anywhere anyway!

I didn't bloody vote for Brexit or this government either.

@jgw1 I hope you're not bound by the Common Fisheries Policy because you might have caught more than your quota on this thread alone.

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Depends on the job, there's a method..

My take on it is that workers here generally won't do is rush around with their hair on fire just so the boss gets a bonus..

As for disorganised...Contrary to rumours the French can be very organised in some roles. even the legendary functionaires can be very expeditious if you know how to play the game (paperwork complete in a nice dossier, lots of papers in transparent flimsies goes down well....random heaps of forms in a shopping bag maybe not a good move.......)

Passports/Border Police (PAF)? Can't talk for the ferry terminals but never found PAF unreasonably slow at airports but they were always thorough... pre-Brexit your passport got looked at and scanned both inbound and outbound ...These days they generally have to do that and also see if you are waving a residency permit or have a long term Visa, then decide to whether to wield the stamp or not (it's all logged electronically anyway), so the time for each transaction has increased....

This is EXACTLY the effect of Brexit by the way as they have to put pretty little stamps in everyone's passports now - we were let off from it for two years as obviously travel was vastly diminished.

Well it's WELL WORTH IT to queue for several hours so we can get little stamps in our passports. Another slow hand clap for Brexit supporters.

And it's is not over. The UK is now being sued by the EU for breaching the NI Protocol.

They fucked over my holiday last year by pissing about with the Covid rules last minute, and by the time the holiday came round they changed them again, and we could have actually gone - but sadly the airline and accommodation had already cancelled due to the earlier rule change.

Hilarious to see people who were irresponsible enough to book a holiday abroad during a pandemic blaming France for trying to protect its citizens.

Well said. I'm tired of hearing about what an awful country of utter incompetents the UK is, and how perfect and wonderful all the inhabitants of EU countries are
Is it not remotely possible that the queues at Dover relate to staffing issues and errors in planning, by the French? After all, they're only human, and are presumably affected by the same Covid challenges as the UK has been. We've seen what's been happening at airports - surely this is more of the same

Who has said the EU are all wonderful? they are not at all.

But Brexit was a UK decision, made with no input from France, UK knew that passport and Schengen rules would be enforced.. yet its the French who are at fault becuase they never "planned" for it...FGS.

As Sky News reported, French staff caught up in the queues that formed very early in Dover & all booths manned, still 6 hour delays.

Aside, the UK has had the highest % of flights cancelled of any other country in Europe, doubtless due to the having the highest number of Covid cases & a Govt of utter incompetents :)