Port of Dover Critical Incident

[AndreaC74]

Why are we blaming the french? they didn't vote for Brexit and aren't responsible for increasing/paying for extra capacity at the French border posts on UK soil.

Stamping passports is what happens to 3rd country nationals & that adds time, a lot of it, when dealing with 100s of '000s of passengers, plus having recently been to France, i ve seen UK people arguing with French officials because they don't want their passports stamped!

The UK seems incapable of organising anything at the moment, the numbers travelling across the channel is entirely predictable and delays we are now seeing were talked about pre 2016, i remember seeing the graphs on how long the queues would be for just a few seconds of delay for each passenger.... all Project Fear.

Didn't turn for work is really offensive. Hence the seriously.

Spot on
Operation Brock isn't working
Operation tap isn't working
There are not enough facilities for drivers to rest and eat
If there was just one big accident here it would be disastrous then throw in an accident in the tunnel and all those cars and lorries bumper to bumper blocking Dover
God help our emergency services if anyone in that queue needs assistance

Sorry, not for you. I have reported myself

You clearly didn't know what you were voting for then.
The mind boggles!
Maybe you should have informed yourself

As I recall it at certainly at T5 passport control used to take about 10 minutes or less most days even before Brexit, for Brits and citizens of other EU countries..

Why does everyone have to go directly the schools break up, there are about 6 weeks of holiday.

That's just an unfair thing to say. Dover Port Authorities do a lot of forward planning for key dates. The had agreements and commitments in place from the French which didn't get honoured.

not everyone gets to choose their holidays for later due to service demands etc

so many people will have to take holidays early in the school holiday timetable

1. We haven't kept to the NI protocol so why should any EU country honour a border agreement with us?
2. Strikers will always try to make a maximum impact for most effect. Thus they will pick certain days to make the most of their leverage.
3. The same goes for political negotiation. The UK decided to go down this route, hence its now seen as fair game by others on the recieving end of British tactics.

It is hard to blame the French given our own actions.

Yep surprisingly they have little freedom of movement stuck in queues to leave the country/return. The French are quite hard-line so no doubt will make it as difficult as possible too since they are Euro through and through

Britain has still not implemented all of the Brexit agreements. The government has put off time and time again the checks on goods that should have happened a few years ago. I have read about the French government's frustration that Britain is still not honouring the Brexit trade agreements we signed.
So it would not surprise me at all if France said well bugger you, we are not putting extra staff on, you can just queue.
Britain's actions have pissed off various governments. Do you really think they will never retaliate?

Enjoy it while it lasts. When the new rules for 3rd countries kick in later this year, the current delays will seem like the promised sunlit uplands.

1. If the French think its wrong to not honour agreements, why aren't they honoring the agreement they made with Dover? As the issue with the NI protocol happened before this agreement, are you suggesting that the French deliberately engineered an agreement they knew they'd break in order to cause disruption? You honestly think France are that awful a country?

1. Yes, but then they have to take responsibility and own the disruption they've caused and not blame it on others.

1. See 1.

Its not hard to blame anyone who makes an agreement voluntarily and then breaks it, knowing the problems it will cause. I refer you back to your neighbours and your cat. It's even worse if that was their deliberate intention from the start as by your implication in 1&2.

I'm not sure whether those blaming the French are suggesting that they have the extra border officers required and are stopping them from going to work, or whether they can't supply enough border officers for various reasons including industrial action and covid. But surely if we hadn't voted to leave the EU, the checks wouldn't be taking as long, the extra officers wouldn't be needed and the French would not be failing to resource the border in the same way. By removing ourselves from the club where we were treated the same as everyone else, we are now at the mercy of other countries. Plus our govt's appalling attitude to the rest of Europe and France in particular probably doesn't help.

Ah ok that makes sense. I thought it was just general holiday goers moaning 😂

And what has caused the increased need for French staff?

Operation Brock to suppliment Operation Stack was designed because we thought changes to the border would:

a) improve cross border movement
Or
b) make problems more frequent and more severe

Answers on a postcard to
The £350 Million Pound Brexit Bus
parked at Boris Johnson's new gaff (oh wait, he's not got one yet).
C/O Stanley Johnson
France

The UK is determined to not honour much bigger commitments it made to the EU, I don't think they can complain if the EU does the same in a very much smaller context.

If the French think its wrong to not honour agreements, why aren't they honoring the agreement they made with Dover? As the issue with the NI protocol happened before this agreement, are you suggesting that the French deliberately engineered an agreement they knew they'd break in order to cause disruption? You honestly think France are that awful a country?

You think maybe they have covid related staffing issues same as the airlines and airports?

Ultimately, Brexit makes us more vulnerable to the French if they decide they want to play silly buggers.

We knew it was a potential national security issue which could mean more critical incidents being declared because its an increased weakness to border management systems.

The End.

And we planned accordingly by even deciding we had a need for Operation Brock.

It was a known risk we accepted.

😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁 very amusing, well done

@MarshaMelrose
In my opinion Brexit voters didn't find out all the true facts before voting. They voted on long held prejudice
Similarly, Remain voters havent bothered to find out the true facts before commenting on this story. They're just spouting crap because of their prejudices

Actually ,i would have been a leave voter, i was quite keen on leaving the EU but once the campaign began in earnest it became clear to me that Vote.Leave was all about promises and wish lists, with little in the way of hard fact.. emotions if you like.

For example... I looked at the entry requirements for the EU and it was very obvious this would lead to delays, passports take time to check, stamp etc and the EU is a huge tourist market for the UK, so very short individual delays have big knock on effects.

So its not "sprouting crap" as you so eloquently put it, its hard fact, just as its hard fact that i can no longer import goods from the EU without very expensive checks and paperwork, just take a look at the number of EU exporters who now state "Not available to ship to UK"

As for Leave voters and long held beliefs, not so sure myself, polling done in 2010, put the EU membership outside voter top ten concerns.... however, skillful campaigning by Farage etc stirred up anti EU feeling but even then, just 17m voted for it, with just 3m voting for UKIP and no MPs.

However, its also very clear very few knew what they were voting for either way, EU membership encompassed a huge range of issues.

Lonelycrab
Vote to end freedom of movement results in…. not being able to move freely anymore. Shocking I tell thee!
What did people expect?

This. Pure and simply, this.