Another Kardashian ksurrogacy

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I guess aibu that all this celebrity surrogacy is problematic?

So khloe’s rep has just confirmed that she’s having another baby with Tristan v surrogate. Aside from the fact, it’s a pretty dumb decision to knowingly and purposefully bring another child into that incredibly toxic relationship where he has such little respect for her, they’ve used a surrogate.

it just feels like with celebrities these days, they want the child but not the ‘difficulties’ of pregnancy or the ‘damage’ it can do to the body. Especially with the kardashians, khloe’s reasoning for a surrogate is that she could be a ‘high risk pregnancy’ with no further clarification of what that means, not that she owes me an explanation but it’s coming across like ‘pay someone to do the grunt work for me’. I mean both my pregnancies were ‘high risk’ ones because I had growth scans, high risk/ low risk are just to designate the level of care you get.

its not just the Kardashian’s, priyanka chopra did it due to scheduling and there was another can’t recall who, but who basically said she didn’t want to take time out of her career right now for pregnancy, yet can have a baby?

I used to live next door to the Malawi High Commission. Guess who bought it from them?

That’s such a straw man. But yeah I actually think how the army et al recruit is deeply problematic and emergency services should be better paid but the key difference is that emergency services perform a vital role in society. A surrogate isn’t a necessity emergency services are.

but altruistic surrogacy I have less of a problem with

Oh look! @alphapie has turned up like clockwork to tell the silly women how to think and be better women! All the while calling us misogynists! He of course is the biggest woman hater on this site who spends his time stalking the feminism threads to constantly derail, antagonise and scream ‘what about the menz!’

Got any links to these numerous studies?

When MC women or those from secured financial backgrounds start renting their wombs I'll agree it is lifestyle choice.

She obviously wants another child. I think she knows she will raise it without Tristan and let's be honest, she's super rich and has a lot of family around her for support..
The child is not really going to be "deprived" other than the fact it too, like it's older sister, has a complete lowlife of a father.

@Beefcurtains79 around how shit the US adoption system is, the one where adoption agencies lie to teenage girls, steal babies from immigrant women and worse?

Google it.

She seems like a proper decent human being

@Namechangedforthisonetoday it's not a strawman argument.

Even outside of more necessary jobs there are dangerous roles that are poorly paid and often a draw for those with low prospects.

If I had the choice between being a deck hand (4th most dangerous job in the UK, and not emergency service related or overly 'necessary') for £20k a year (tbh I think they start a lot less than that) or being a surrogate with top medical cover, all expenses paid for $200k I'd sure as hell choose the latter.

To me, there is a huge difference between using a surrogate because you otherwise couldn't have a child, and using a surrogate because pregnancy is a bit of an inconvenience. There should be much tighter laws around it

No difference whatsoever. It is hiring a woman’s body to fulfil your needs. It is utterly immoral in every single imaginable circumstance.

Old???? Nice.

Transphobic? Please report any transphobia. Or do you mean women caring about women’s rights and safe spaces? because as much as people want to say that’s transphobic, it’s not.

@TheDogTravelsByHelicopter yes, polls have been done over the years, the average age on the old feminism board before the split (and AIBU) was 60.

It goes hand in hand with the outdated views

For someone so generous with statistics I’m sure you can back them all up with links? Just so we know you’re not making up statistics to suit?

Which ‘outdated’ views would those be? What transphobia are you referring to?

You're being a big age-phobic there

We're all discussing our views on this and almost arguing with one another. But it is what it is. Surrogacy exists, whether some people like it or not. Fostering and adoptions also exist.
We can talk about them all day but are you going to change the laws on them? If you are, why are you wasting your time arguing here about it?

@Gogster hardly, it's true, polls have been done in those boards. Average age is very much 'old'

Yes I’m sure you would as would many others and I think that’s the problem isn’t it… it’s exploitative of those in need… a job well below national average salary with no qualifications or immediate ways of bettering or being an incubator for a wealthy persons baby that would pay you 5 times what you’d earn in a year for the aforementioned job… of course If you really needed the cash you’d go for the highest paying prospect but that’s the point isn’t it.

also I’m 31, not transphobic at all actually all for gender neutral spaces so I’m not an ‘old transphobic woman’ as you said

So you’re admitting the it’s not transphobic then. 😂 Make your mind up. Again, if you feel anything is actually transphobic, then report it.

I see your earlier post had been deleted. So it appears it is you that is seen as in some way problematic or disgusting for your ageist comments and accusing others of transphobia, that you’ve now said isn’t transphobic. How ironic. 😂

Anyone who thinks it's a great choice and just a job might like to consider how they'd feel about some of the demands commissioning parents make (aside if the strait jacket contract).

Demand a VBAC - isn't that a medical decision to be made by the doctors and the pregnant woman alone? Apparently not.

Move to a different state.

Get rid of pets.

Don't watch scary movies.

Oh and I love the 100 page journal.

Unreasonable, demanding commissioning parents should fill a chapter or two though.

Regarding pay/compensation in the USA I think $200k is extremely unlikely. Most surrogate mothers are paid between $30k to $50k and don't forget that is taxable income.

The rich are notoriously tight fisted so I wouldn't expect the kardashians or other celebs to pay over the market rate to any extent.

Just look at how this woman did her calculations to beat the price down.

She also took a considerable risk imo by deciding to pay medical fees for the first 24 weeks up front rather than pay insurance on the grounds there isn't much to pay for in the early stages of pregnancy. Unless it all goes wrong and your surrogate mother has a septic miscarriage or a PE or something else bad.

www.fertilityiq.com/topics/cost/how-i-saved-usd50-000-on-surrogacy

We actually know 2 people who used surrogates in the LA area. The women who volunteer are not "renting their body parts" but doing so because they genuinely wanted to help childless couples.

California allows the sale and purchase of babies, so these women very likely didn't 'volunteer'. They entered a commercial arrangement whereby their body was rented out for 9 months to grow a baby which would be removed at birth from the only mother it had ever known.

Of course, case above proves there's always a risk but the entire process was surprisingly professional from start to finish.

Do you believe pregnancy and childbirth are 'professional' procedures?

The point is not whether some women would choose to be paid surrogates. The question is whether it is exploitation and should be legally banned in this country. People will do anything for money - that's why we have in this country, for example, a national minimum wage, a ban on trafficking human organs, a ban on prostitution, children aren't legally allowed to work up chimneys any more...It is part of a government's job to legislate against exploitative practices.