Another Kardashian ksurrogacy

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I guess aibu that all this celebrity surrogacy is problematic?

So khloe’s rep has just confirmed that she’s having another baby with Tristan v surrogate. Aside from the fact, it’s a pretty dumb decision to knowingly and purposefully bring another child into that incredibly toxic relationship where he has such little respect for her, they’ve used a surrogate.

it just feels like with celebrities these days, they want the child but not the ‘difficulties’ of pregnancy or the ‘damage’ it can do to the body. Especially with the kardashians, khloe’s reasoning for a surrogate is that she could be a ‘high risk pregnancy’ with no further clarification of what that means, not that she owes me an explanation but it’s coming across like ‘pay someone to do the grunt work for me’. I mean both my pregnancies were ‘high risk’ ones because I had growth scans, high risk/ low risk are just to designate the level of care you get.

its not just the Kardashian’s, priyanka chopra did it due to scheduling and there was another can’t recall who, but who basically said she didn’t want to take time out of her career right now for pregnancy, yet can have a baby?

Jesus that’s depressing. What a class A person she is -_-

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Pregnancy for someone else should never be a job. It can kill you. Disable you for life. Give you lifelong regrets. Lots of things people do for money could kill them or disable them or result in lifelong regrets. A fireman runs into danger and some die, soldiers risk their lives, the list would be long if every one was listed.

There are many reasons people might disagree with surrogacy but your reasons apply to many jobs and if you were in a burning building would you refuse to be saved because the fireman was risking his life for money?

The difference being that the above jobs are essential in order to save lives. Everything is done to make them as safe as possible, but inevitably there are risks.

By contrast, the very worst thing that can happen if surrogacy were banned is that a small number of people don't get to have a baby of their 'own'. While that's sad for them, having your 'own' child is not a right.

And the expression 'welcomed a baby via surrogate', as if the mother was an Amazon delivery van. 'Package delivered via courier'.

I don't have an issue with surrogacy at all. I don't know much about the Kardashians so I can't comment on their relationship.

If you are worried about the person who is at risk does the fact that the job is essential matter? It might be essential to you that the firefighter risks his/her life but it isn't essential to them is it.

Do you have a right to expect someone to risk their life for you for whatever reason? What about people who rescue people from something like an accident when mountain climbing. People who like to climb don't have a right to do it and they don't have a right to have other people rescuing them. I'm not sure I see the difference. Obviously they might die if they aren't rescued but then the answer to that would be to ban climbing.

I'm sure everything is done to make pregnancy safe for surrogate mothers in the UK, don't know about the whole world but I can't see a midwife/doctor not doing whatever they can for a surrogate mother.

As I said I can see many arguments against surrogacy, personally I think it must be psychologically damaging to the surrogate and I can't imagine being able to deal with that but someone doing a "job" that is potentially dangerous for money isn't a reason for me as if that was the case I think we'd have to consider if an awful lot of jobs should be allowed.

Not sure which country but in the UK prostitution isn't illegal.

I really wish people on this thread would stop comparing surrogacy to working for the emergency services. It's quite frankly offensive to both the people that work for the emergency services and the children born to surrogates.
For a start they're not even comparable. Emergency service workers receive training, there are endless risk assessments, access to counselling after major trauma. They have union representation, employment rights etc.
None of which I imagine is standard for the average surrogate.
No one has the right to have a

Grr, silly phone posted too soon.

That should have been:

No one has the right to have a child.

If you are worried about the person who is at risk does the fact that the job is essential matter? It might be essential to you that the firefighter risks his/her life but it isn't essential to them is it.

No individual is forced to do the job.

But as of now, there is no technology which can save someone from a burning building. So it has to be done by humans, who will agree to subject themselves to risk in order to save lives. Importantly, they can also leave that job at any time. A woman who becomes pregnant in order to give her baby away doesn't have that choice.

Do you have a right to expect someone to risk their life for you for whatever reason? What about people who rescue people from something like an accident when mountain climbing.

But you don't join a 'rescuing people from something like a mountain climbing accident' force. You join the rescue services, agreeing to put yourself at risk to save people in many different circumstances. Not at all comparable to undergoing labour and childbirth in order to give your baby away to someone else.

but someone doing a "job" that is potentially dangerous for money isn't a reason for me as if that was the case I think we'd have to consider if an awful lot of jobs should be allowed.

It's quite far down my list of reasons for why surrogacy is wrong, but it is still a very good reason to ban the practice completely.

I haven't taken the time to scroll through all the replies but there does seem to be a continuum between "adoption" like Madonna, and Angelina Jolie and surrogacy - commercial surrogacy. it is banned in most countries- we had a whole debacle here in Ireland about the war in Ukraine when the headlines were grabbed by a Senator who wanted to mount a mercy mission to get all the babies due home - in some cases they brought the expectant mother to Ireland (not entirely sure what happens when she delivers
The other aspect which is highly sensitive is the number of gay male couples using commercial surrogacy often with a lack of awareness and really consumerist language about the surrogate - makes my blood boil!

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re your projection of surrogacy agencies recruiting at undergraduate fairs, there was a poster on a previous thread who claimed that this had actually taken place in her personal experience.

The same thread also had a poster from a lady who proudly stated that she had saved a considerable sum of money by having her surrogate recruited and residing in Cyprus. That surrogate was also claimed to be a university student (well, maybe IMHO ).

Huxley’s Brave New World used a better system, really. At least in that scenario, everyone was gestated in a test tube and reared in any incubator, no human woman involved.

@ReeseWitherfork

But that baby DOESN'T recognise her as her biological mother. It only recognise the ACTUAL woman that grew every single cell inside her body.

I think it's really shitty to judge someone on how they have their baby.

So if someone desperate for a baby purchased a 3 month old from its mother, would you judge that?

I think it's really shitty to judge someone on how they have their baby.

So if someone desperate for a baby purchased a 3 month old from its mother, would you judge that?

If you Google it, one of the reasons they have made abortion illegal in the USA is literally " to increase silly of domestic born infants for adoption by Americans " to reduce adoptions from abroad. You can find the actual quote from government papers. It's sickening.

@ancientgran

You need to do some research. I've attached a screen shot for the lazy people

www.romper.com/parenting/how-does-a-baby-know-its-mother-it-comes-down-to-the-senses-25678

@Jijithecat there are plenty of dangerous jobs that aren't considered emergency services

If any part of your argument against surrogacy is the impact on the body of the surrogate and medical risks, maybe you can petition for deck hands to be banned, they're the 4th most dangerous job, and very lowly paid compared to a surrogate. Or painters (20th most dangerous job apparently)

The actual risks for surrogates are low, they are young women in good health, and in this particular case and the same applies to other celeb surrogacies, well cared for medically.

I love how @alphapie spouts glowing accounts of the wonderful treatment surrogate mothers get whilst supplying no facts.

Here's an account from a young woman whose mother died as a result of complications of surrogacy.

cbc-network.org/2022/06/birth-of-a-baby-death-of-a-mother-a-secondhand-victim-of-surrogacy-speaks-out/

And here's an interview with a man whose wife died as a result of her surrogate pregnancy.

And here's a woman who literally had to explain to the man who had hired her to gestate a baby for him that he wouldn't get his baby if she died. She had suffered a serious pulmonary embolism and her doctors told her if she carried on taking the fertility drugs the fertility doctor had prescribed she would be likely to die. But the fertility clinic and the CP told her to keep taking the drugs.

So much for that first class medical care surrogate mothers enjoy in the USA.

podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/venus-rising/id1481872967?i=1000467220094

And I'd love to hear more about the dangerous work of deck hands. No doubt working on a crabbing ship in the arctic circle is extremely dangerous, I've watched that show too. On the other hand being a deck hand on a super yacht or a passenger ferry seems like pretty low risk work to me. It's clearly a job description with wide variations.
So come on. Show us some statistics do.

More about deaths of surrogate mothers in the USA. There are like quite a few that are not known about as most contracts have a non disclosure agreement and problems are hushed up by the agencies. People monitoring these things often only hear about them when they see a gofundme to raise money for a bereaved family.

cbc-network.org/2021/10/when-giving-the-gift-of-life-costs-you-your-life/

While I'm at it, we shouldn't forget that many young women are harmed through egg donation which is a prerequisite for most gestational surrogacy pregnancies, especially, of course, if the commissioning parents are gay.

This young woman was seriously harmed by the negligent treatment she received.

podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/venus-rising/id1481872967?i=1000517068532

There is also a documentary on YouTube called Eggsploitation which further discusses the harms.