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To ask if you a Conservative Party Member who you like to see in the final two and who would you vote for?

483 replies

BreadInCaptivity · 12/07/2022 19:57

As the title says.

We will have a new PM and the decision on who it is will ultimately reside with CP members.

I would rather this wasn't a political thread in the sense of Conservative/Labour/LidDem/Green etc.

I'm simply very interested to understand the direction of travel here for party members and would ask that people posting respect that and don't pounce on party members who post.

For reference I'm not a party member, but my uncle is and in his constituency he's saying it's a run off between Sunak, Mordant and Badenoch in terms of local support.

OP posts:
Provenceinthesummer · 13/07/2022 08:46

Boris was massively into funding social care, NHS and putting up taxes - I expect that to stop whoever it is.

cantthinkofanothergoodusername · 13/07/2022 08:52

Party members here: voting for Kemi

PaperTyger · 13/07/2022 08:57

[email protected]

Virtual audience asking leaders questions.

I'm certainly going to making sure they know how I feel about women's rights/spaces/safety's.

PersonaNonGarter · 13/07/2022 09:02

cantthinkofanothergoodusername · 13/07/2022 08:52

Party members here: voting for Kemi

To state the obvious, you can only vote for her if she gets into the final two.

PaperTyger · 13/07/2022 09:07

That's interesting re kemi doing a levels at a college!!

PaperTyger · 13/07/2022 09:08

Anyone' wanting to ask these people a question via sky...the email is above
Lots of women based questions would help to drum this point home

knittingaddict · 13/07/2022 09:13

PersonaNonGarter · 13/07/2022 09:02

To state the obvious, you can only vote for her if she gets into the final two.

I know that. I can't vote, but also not convinced that MP's choices are going to be the same as our choice might be. It's going to be Hobson's choice, isn't it?

caringcarer · 13/07/2022 09:13

I am member and so is DH. We won't vote for Sunak who is backstabber or Maudant who does not know what a women is. Nor Hunt we saw what he did to NHS and can't forgive. Tom not pro Brexit so rules him out.

Most likely vote for Suella to get out of European court or Kemi who knows what a women is and won't tolerate woke shit.

We would vote for Truss if Suella or Kemi not on final Ballot.

Our 2 sons probably vote similarly based on discussions we have had at home and their comments.

SleeplessInEngland · 13/07/2022 09:15

PaperTyger · 13/07/2022 09:08

Anyone' wanting to ask these people a question via sky...the email is above
Lots of women based questions would help to drum this point home

I wouldn't worry, given what they've said so far they'd much rather talk about that than the cost of living crisis.

SleeplessInEngland · 13/07/2022 09:17

knittingaddict · 13/07/2022 09:13

I know that. I can't vote, but also not convinced that MP's choices are going to be the same as our choice might be. It's going to be Hobson's choice, isn't it?

MPs usuallyvote for whoever's promised them the best cabinet job, members usually vote for whoever's the most demented.

fudfootedfannybangle · 13/07/2022 09:32

I’m a member and for me it’s Kemi, then Tom.

either would be a breath of fresh air and we (the country) deserve a major change of guard.

am now going to poll card-carrying family members.

SleeplessInEngland · 13/07/2022 09:37

Mark Francoise and Ian Duncan Smith come out for Truss. To most people those endorsements would be massive red flags, but paid-up tory members aren't most people.

NightmareSlashDelightful · 13/07/2022 10:02

For balance, I asked my mate who works as an advisor for a Labour politician who they'd be most worried about in a GE.

He was deliberately vague but reading between the lines Penny Mordaunt seems to be the one they're watchful of right now.

I asked about Suella Braverman — the response was a dozen 'crying laughing' emojis. She's the Tories' Corbyn and would be an electoral gift to Labour.

FOJN · 13/07/2022 10:39

I'm not a Conservative party member or voter to date.

I'm not comfortable with anyone campaigning on tax cuts, I understand why, given the cost of living crisis, that might be tempting but I don't think now is the time. KB said as much in her campaign launch speech yesterday although she is clearly committed to reducing the cost of government which she was also very clear about.

I need to find out more about TT but KB would be my preference currently. I think she's honest about her beliefs and communicates them quite clearly.

It must not be PM, she has already lied at least twice in her leadership campaign. She claimed she argued for the words pregnant people to be replaced with mother in the Ministerial and Other Maternity Allowances Bill but in actual fact she resisted it tooth and nail. It was the Lord's who insisted on the amendment but Liz Truss and other MP's also argued against the wording pregnant people. When PM spoke about the amendment she finished her speech with the words transwomen are women and transmen are men. Video evidence of this is readily available and her claims have already been challenged by Lord Lucas.

During an interview on LBC last night PM also claimed not to have supported self ID. She was part of the Women's Equality Select Committee who produced the report which made recommendations for self ID and she has spoken in support of it on more than one occasion. Her webchat here on MN was an absolute shambles as she refused to answer any of the thoughtful questions put to her about women's rights. She is now being very careful with her words to decide people about her position on self ID. She could have stated she had changed her mind but she has not done that and is lying instead which tells me she cannot be trusted.

Penny Mordant is a provable liar and the Conservative Party does not need another dishonest prime minister.

hummerbird · 13/07/2022 10:45

Rishi is likely to be facing Truss
most will vote for Rishi on grounds of slow and steady
Truss is too flash, not considered intellectual enough. Having JRM on her team works against her in this southern area.

WarOnSlugs · 13/07/2022 10:49

Not a member. I am politically homeless and increasingly so.

What I am baffled about is why the party membership and journalists are not asking any of the candidates the tough questions that need answering. What will they do about food and energy security? What are their plans to prop up the failing currency? Both of these are essential issues for national security and controlling inflation. All of the "debate" so far seems incredibly short-termist, vague and superficial.

WarOnSlugs · 13/07/2022 10:54

If any members have any insight into why the big policy questions facing the country are not even being asked, I'd be really interested!

WarOnSlugs · 13/07/2022 10:57

And the balance of payments; the deficit in this has almost quadrupled from ~2% to 7-8%! Exports have tumbled, FDI that was plugging the gap has also fallen off a cliff, so GBP continues to tumble, making everything imported more expensive. What is the plan?

SleeplessInEngland · 13/07/2022 11:02

WarOnSlugs · 13/07/2022 10:57

And the balance of payments; the deficit in this has almost quadrupled from ~2% to 7-8%! Exports have tumbled, FDI that was plugging the gap has also fallen off a cliff, so GBP continues to tumble, making everything imported more expensive. What is the plan?

Tackling woeful exports would mean admitting brexit's a dumpster fire, and they'd all rather die than do that.

WarOnSlugs · 13/07/2022 11:06

But what hope is there of anything improving if the politicians won't even articulate the problems let alone propose workable solutions?

The Brexiters who think Brexit is brilliant should surely still want to challenge their potential leaders on these economic facts ^^ and ask for a detailed, quantified plan on what they will be exporting and to whom to plug the increasing gap and stop the downwards spiral? Despite what many said at the time I can't imagine they all genuinely want to get increasingly poorer?

SleeplessInEngland · 13/07/2022 11:12

The Brexiters who think Brexit is brilliant should surely still want to challenge their potential leaders on these economic facts

If they started doing that the whole facade would crumble like a house of cards and they'd have to admit they were duped. Why do that when you can just fight a culture war instead?

WarOnSlugs · 13/07/2022 11:14

I guess. 😩 I just don't understand people. 😔

the80sweregreat · 13/07/2022 11:23

Kemi Badenoch hacked Harriet Harman's internet account
On that basis alone ( plus her views on state schools ) I would discount her as untrustworthy and a rule breaker.
Had enough of those lately.
Not a conservative member myself.
Dh votes for them and he likes Richie Sunak.

WarOnSlugs · 13/07/2022 11:30

the80sweregreat · 13/07/2022 11:23

Kemi Badenoch hacked Harriet Harman's internet account
On that basis alone ( plus her views on state schools ) I would discount her as untrustworthy and a rule breaker.
Had enough of those lately.
Not a conservative member myself.
Dh votes for them and he likes Richie Sunak.

But Sunak is a rule breaker too? He broke the lockdown rules.

NannyOggsWhiskyStash · 13/07/2022 11:35

BreadInCaptivity · 12/07/2022 21:29

That's exactly the type of post I was hoping to avoid.

Like it or not a relatively small number of the population will select our new PM and
I was hoping to get an insight into that.

That will not happen if posters throw around insults.

But it's true. It's taken a very nasty, anti EU UKIP slant, you can't deny that.

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