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To ask if you a Conservative Party Member who you like to see in the final two and who would you vote for?

483 replies

BreadInCaptivity · 12/07/2022 19:57

As the title says.

We will have a new PM and the decision on who it is will ultimately reside with CP members.

I would rather this wasn't a political thread in the sense of Conservative/Labour/LidDem/Green etc.

I'm simply very interested to understand the direction of travel here for party members and would ask that people posting respect that and don't pounce on party members who post.

For reference I'm not a party member, but my uncle is and in his constituency he's saying it's a run off between Sunak, Mordant and Badenoch in terms of local support.

OP posts:
MiniPiccolo · 14/07/2022 08:12

Just to point out, anyone but Rishi and we would have a general election. Conservatives (and women who care about women's rights) may wish to take heed of that. A no confidence vote may not be triggered against Kemi but it absolutely will against all others. The Queen likes Rishi. She could refuse a general election.

WatchoRulo · 14/07/2022 08:29

MiniPiccolo · 14/07/2022 08:12

Just to point out, anyone but Rishi and we would have a general election. Conservatives (and women who care about women's rights) may wish to take heed of that. A no confidence vote may not be triggered against Kemi but it absolutely will against all others. The Queen likes Rishi. She could refuse a general election.

What a load of bollocks

Blossomtoes · 14/07/2022 08:34

I remember Corbyn ignoring the walk outs and saying no

You remember 60 Labour resignations in 24 hours? How on earth did I miss that? Johnson was talking about a third term the afternoon before he resigned. Don’t try and gaslight us @MarshaBradyo, we can all remember last week.

SleeplessInEngland · 14/07/2022 08:39

MarshaBradyo · 14/07/2022 07:56

I’m fine with that

If it’s not like Corbyn - how many was that? Then that election result

Well sure, johnson apologists are fine with a shocking amount. It was still totally unprecedented and will go down in british political history as one of the most embarrassing clinging-ons by a doomed prime minister.

It shouldn't have taken all those resinations anyway. His personal ratings had been terminal for months. He was in denial.

MarshaBradyo · 14/07/2022 08:41

How many walked out Blossom?

I don’t care, why would I mind - I didn’t like Corbyn and didn’t vote for him

I was one of the voters he managed to lose amongst many

MarshaBradyo · 14/07/2022 08:42

No you’re misunderstanding I’m glad he’s gone and the party has acted

He became a liability for an election I have no issue with MPs taking a stand

I’d be more annoyed if he stayed regardless and had a big defeat

you all seem ok with your leader staying but that’s your call

Blossomtoes · 14/07/2022 08:43

How many walked out Blossom?

You tell me, you’re the one who said they did it. I don’t remember any.

MarshaBradyo · 14/07/2022 08:45

Blimey ok then

yes he was great hIs MPs didn’t object and won in the end

people are very loyal. That’s fine if they don’t mind losing

SleeplessInEngland · 14/07/2022 08:54

He became a liability for an election I have no issue with MPs taking a stand

He's already made the next election a liablility by clinging on for 6 months longer than he should have. The new leader's honeymoon bounce won't cover the 15 point polling gap and a couple of months after they come in energy prices will break £3k.

SleeplessInEngland · 14/07/2022 09:02

Anyway, back to the topic. Truss is doing her big speech today and her team are alread briefing against Mordaunt's flip-flopping on trans rights.

MarshaBradyo · 14/07/2022 09:03

We’ll see

I wouldn’t call it now but if others want to then fine, good to think you’ll win. Better than last time

Going back to pp Sunak is focusing on inflation - whether he’ll get votes due to wealth and public perception is another issue

SleeplessInEngland · 14/07/2022 09:10

Lord Frost, the 'genius' brexit negotiator who now declares his own deal is terrible, says Mordaunt would be a bad leader. Definitely a sense that the right of the party (yeah, it's all relative) fear her now and are uniting to fight her.

Blossomtoes · 14/07/2022 09:16

Damnation by Lord Frost is a recommendation as far as I’m concerned. Support from Rees Mogg and Dorries doesn’t seem to be helping Truss much.

the80sweregreat · 14/07/2022 09:22

Liz Truss is already in trouble for dissing her old school. At least she isn't threatening the budgets of schools like Kemi is though.

MissusPongo · 14/07/2022 09:24

Blossomtoes · 14/07/2022 09:16

Damnation by Lord Frost is a recommendation as far as I’m concerned. Support from Rees Mogg and Dorries doesn’t seem to be helping Truss much.

Agreed. I have no idea how he gets so much air time. He's not some sort of elder statesman, he's just a spad who got lucky, fucked up Brexit and now we're all doomed to have to hear his opinions on everything, day in day out.

SleeplessInEngland · 14/07/2022 09:25

We're now at the 'brexiters accusing other brexiters of not being brexity enough' stage of proceedings:

Lord Moylan
@danielmgmoylan
We’re on the path to getting two final candidates who’ll endanger Brexit: one because he doesn’t care about it, one because she doesn’t understand it.

Blossomtoes · 14/07/2022 09:29

I do wish they’d stop with the Brexit obsession. It’s yesterday’s war, get over it.

user1497207191 · 14/07/2022 10:09

Blossomtoes · 14/07/2022 09:29

I do wish they’d stop with the Brexit obsession. It’s yesterday’s war, get over it.

Absolutely, what's done is done! Those who remain obsessed about the EU should stand on a "return to membership" platform and campaign for that. Going on and on about the past is a complete waste of everyone's time.

user1497207191 · 14/07/2022 10:12

MarshaBradyo · 14/07/2022 09:03

We’ll see

I wouldn’t call it now but if others want to then fine, good to think you’ll win. Better than last time

Going back to pp Sunak is focusing on inflation - whether he’ll get votes due to wealth and public perception is another issue

Ironic, considering his part in decision making which as made inflation worse than it needed to have been (i.e. lower inflation in lots of other countries). Finding the magic money forest and virtually uncontrolled spending/giveaways has done a lot of long term damage.

SleeplessInEngland · 14/07/2022 10:13

user1497207191 · 14/07/2022 10:09

Absolutely, what's done is done! Those who remain obsessed about the EU should stand on a "return to membership" platform and campaign for that. Going on and on about the past is a complete waste of everyone's time.

It's not remainers who are obsessed with the EU.

SleeplessInEngland · 14/07/2022 10:16

Truss' taking questions from the media following her 'slash taxes' speech. She says she didn't resign because she's loyal to johnson (also she wasn't in the country when it all happened).

saraclara · 14/07/2022 10:25

The candidates other than Sunak want to cut taxes. Are people in the Tory party asking how those tax cuts will be funded?

I'm not a party member, but that would be what would have me leaning towards Sunak. He seems to be realistic and pragmatic in that regard. Promising tax cuts is purely vote garnering. Unrealistic at best, and dangerous at worst. Because following through on those promises would make the poor even poorer.

itsgettingweird · 14/07/2022 10:33

you all seem ok with your leader staying but that’s your call

Who's my leader? I'd love to know how you think you know who our leaders are?!

itsgettingweird · 14/07/2022 10:37

It's not remainers who are obsessed with the EU.

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

I was a remainer. I voted Johnson to "get Brexit done"

I put my eggs in the wrong basket (but wouldn't have voted Corbyn either!)

I support Starmers stance that he wouldn't reverse it and like his politics and forensic mind.

I'd like Tugenhat to get the Tory PM job.

I'm very centric and will happily swing left or right of it depending on policy and who is standing.

I'm very worried about the far right groups getting in because they are selling it as needing to be far right to sort the economy and Brexit.

We don't imo.

MarshaBradyo · 14/07/2022 10:39

itsgettingweird · 14/07/2022 10:33

you all seem ok with your leader staying but that’s your call

Who's my leader? I'd love to know how you think you know who our leaders are?!

It’s pretty simple if you didn’t back Corbyn then it’s not to you.

those who did it’s to them

Anyway getting back to the topic User yes the spending was extreme and it has lowered resilience. Johnson was part of it but Sunak too. And people have got stuck on Brexit, people can campaign to re join but even Labour have accepted it

It’s a tough one as Sunak caused a problem but has an eye on inflation. Tax cuts will hurt the lower income section more

I haven’t followed it too closely but I’m interested in what will happen