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Being defamed and lied about ~ should I let it go?

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Ladyof2022 · 12/07/2022 19:07

Couple of years ago I met up with a woman I only knew via women's/feminist Facebook groups. We found that we lived near each other, so decided to meet in real life.

I was 60 and she 40 and a single mum to a five-year-old. We met and had a wide-ranging, good-humoured discussion for about an hour, mainly about women's issues, her life, my life, etc. She calls herself a feminist. We got on really well. I'd brought her a gift (a local interest book I'd written, dedicated to her and signed) and she was thrilled and appreciative. We ordered tea and cakes and, because she had mentioned that she was hard up, I discreetly picked up the tab. When we left, she walked alongside me (I am mobility-disabled and use an electric wheelchair), keen to keep the convo going until we had to part. She kissed my cheek as we parted and I genuinely felt that I had made a new, like-minded friend.

She rang me a few days later and we had a friendly convo on the phone. Then about a week after that I ran into her by accident in the town centre. She greeted me with a huge smile and a hug. Her child was on a timed, paid ride so I waited with her and chatted until the ride ended, then I left, without interacting with the child at all. She waved me off with a smile hoping she'd 'see me soon'.

At no time did I say or do anything weird, eccentric, or in any way less than sane, normal and socially acceptable.

Sorry the back-story was a bit long but I didn't want people to have to ask me questions and then I'd have to drip-feed.

A few days after this I visited one of our FB groups to read her telling all the other members, none of whom had ever met me or even had a DM exchange with me, that she had met me and that I was 'batshit crazy,' 'insane,' 'unhinged' and 'mentally deranged'. She said that when I approached her in town she was 'terrified' that I might 'harm her child' so she 'humoured me' until she could get her child to safety. Reading her comments I literally went into physical shock, shaking and welling up with tears. I could not believe anyone could write such things about me, of all people. I'm a fairly quiet, studious type of person.

I spent hours going over everything I could remember us talking about, what I wore, what I said, how I behaved, etc. trying desperately to think of what she could possibly have misinterpreted, but I could not think of anything.

I messaged her to ask what on earth had prompted such untrue comments and she blocked me. From then I could not see her posts, but I could see other women responding to her posts about me. To my horror, people were saying things like 'Wow, she sounds crazy' and 'thanks for the warning - will unfriend' and that they were going to ask the group owner to ban me. Then I noticed that one by one they were blocking me, even those I had had pleasant exchanges with. It was like being trapped in a nightmare, but I could not wake up.

I could not think of anything I could post to 'prove' that I am not what she claimed, so I stopped posting. Then I found myself ejected from one group, then another. I have shed many tears over this, it was so horrible and so utterly unfair.

I have a problem with my spine, but I have literally never suffered any form of mental illness whatsoever. (Even if I had, I don't think her actions would have been acceptable.)

My social life is already limited because of my disability and so I rely more than most on social media and FB groups for social interaction and friendship. Because of this one person, I have been unfriended by many likeminded women and banned from several FB groups.

Next I ran into her in a shopping street and she started shouting that I was "that weird, cray-cray lady", laughing at me, making people stop and stare at me, and she marched up and filmed me with her phone, shoving it in my face whilst laughing loudly. I could not get out of the way as I was in my wheelchair and she was blocking my way. She called me a "fucking nutcase" and a "crackpot". Later I a friend said I should report her for disability Hate Crime. I phoned the police and reported the incident but they said that without an address there is nothing they can do. Her name was not known to them and may even be a pseudonym. I don't have her phone number. They said that if I could get her address I could take out a private prosecution against her for defamation (though what is the point? I'd have to pay court fees, and all a court can do is award me monetary damages, and she's a single mum on the dole.) I found out that a tracing company charges £600 to obtain an address.

I keep seeing her about town, maybe once a month, and she always points at me and laughs at me, and turns to whoever she is with, or standing near, points at me, and says horrible things about me, and then they stare at me, too, and she's turned yet another person against me in this small town.

I never react. I pretend I have not seen her. My stomach churns, my eyes fill with tears, my mood is ruined, but I do nothing.

Am I being too passive? Wimpish, in fact? Should I approach her when I see her and demand to know why she tells these lies? Should I follow her home so I can get an address to give the police?

AIBU vote:

YES, YOU ARE BEING UNREASONABLE TO BE SO PASSIVE ~ Obtain her address, report her for disability Hate Crime and/or sue her for defamation. Take her photo and make a complaint to the police every.single.time she says things to you or about you.

NO, YOU ARE NOT ~ Continue to do nothing. Rise above it. Ignore here when you see her, and let her get away with everything she's done and continues to do.

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ThreeLittleDots · 12/07/2022 19:22

I would consider it harassment really and go down that route, obtaining her address and sending an initial cease and desist letter. What a weirdo!

LooseGoose22 · 12/07/2022 19:36

This is surely a harassment case.

Videoing her might be a good idea.

Im not sure about following her home to obtain her address, she could accuse you of harassment/stalking.

Ladyof2022 · 12/07/2022 19:37

Thanks for my first reply, Dots. To what lengths do you think I ought to go to get her address? £600 to a tracing company (£300 upfront, not refundable if they don't find it) or following her home when I see her in the street? Which might mean following her for hours if she's out doing errands etc.

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Ladyof2022 · 12/07/2022 19:39

@LooseGoose22

Yes, definitely harassment but the police said they cannot do anything until I give them a correct name and her exact address. I asked if a photo would help and they said no, that would not help in discovering the name or address.

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MarshaMelrose · 12/07/2022 19:42

I would film her when she's harassing you. But more shocking than her is that people are standing by and letting her do this. So I'd film her then post it on those Facebook groups to show them what she is subjecting you to.

HikingforScenery · 12/07/2022 19:42

Yes don’t follow her, how discrete can you be in a wheelchair? Thank f you follow her, she’ll have backing to her unhinged story.

I think it’s worth paying £600, if you can afford it tbh. Unless you’ve someone irl who can do it for you

PeppaPigIsBacon · 12/07/2022 19:42

Definitely don’t follow her home! That would be very weird and stalkerish.

midairchallenger · 12/07/2022 19:43

She's continuing to harass you in the street on a regular basis. Go back to the police, it's not for you to trace her, it's for them.

Some of these places may have cctv which the police could use to identify her, and they have other powers.

PuffyPuck · 12/07/2022 19:43

HikingforScenery · 12/07/2022 19:42

Yes don’t follow her, how discrete can you be in a wheelchair? Thank f you follow her, she’ll have backing to her unhinged story.

I think it’s worth paying £600, if you can afford it tbh. Unless you’ve someone irl who can do it for you

I hope that doesn’t come across as ableist. If it does, I sincerely apologise.

I think someone she doesn’t know would
be your best best in finding her

HollowTalk · 12/07/2022 19:44

She sounds absolutely awful. I'm so sorry you went through that.

Don't follow her. Don't speak to her again obviously. Don't film or record her

I certainly wouldn't spend money on tracking down her address but I'd be all over that myself! I don't think it would be too hard to do it, do you? I certainly wouldn't pay an unknown agency £300 even if they didn't find her! You should put together a crack team of mums better. I reckon we'd find her! Then you could talk to the police about her.

BlanketsBanned · 12/07/2022 19:45

Can you phone the police when she is actually harrassing you, I dont see why they need her address or name first, it will also be on cctv somewhere.

Annoyedwithmyself · 12/07/2022 19:49

Definitely don't follow her home but I think this might be worth pursuing if you can as it sounds like harassment. Do you have screenshots of the social media comments/ allegations she's made about you? Also have you looked on 192.com to see if you can find an address?

midairchallenger · 12/07/2022 19:50

Ladyof2022 · 12/07/2022 19:39

@LooseGoose22

Yes, definitely harassment but the police said they cannot do anything until I give them a correct name and her exact address. I asked if a photo would help and they said no, that would not help in discovering the name or address.

Are you talking about a single conversation with a call handler? The people answering the phone at 101 are not police officers and some call handlers are shit.

Report it again, and if they continue to fob you off then make a complaint. They should be doing is making an appointment for a police officer to come out to take details from you.

Think about it - if they can only investigate crimes that are reported along with a complete ID of the suspect, that'd be a lot of crimes with no investigation. How many murders are reported along with the murderer's full name and address?

They were fobbing you off.

BorsetshireBanality · 12/07/2022 19:50

Do district councils still have paper copies of the electoral register you can look through, might take a while but would save you £600 quid!

Do you know what car she drives and write down the reg. number for the Police to trace her.

Annoyedwithmyself · 12/07/2022 19:51

Oh and keep a diary of all these incidents.

Scuttlingherbert · 12/07/2022 19:51

How absolutely baffling - the change in her behaviour from how she was initially. She must have her own, serious problems to be behaving like this.
I'm so sorry you're going through this. How awful.

NerdleNoodle · 12/07/2022 19:52

What an awful experience OP. I'm so sorry that you've had to endure it. I can only imagine how frightening and undermining this is for you.

Whatever course of action you settle on, you will need support. Can you get this from print groups - like Mumsnet ? Can you join other Facebook groups? You write beautifully: could you blog about this awful experience? You need to find ways of telling your story and getting support.

Very best wishes to you

BlanketsBanned · 12/07/2022 19:55

Does the gb group have moderators, can she be removed from that group, screenshot the comments, online abuse and harrassment is also a crime.

AlumhurstRoad · 12/07/2022 19:55

Just a thought, maybe set up a second facebook account? You might be able to find out a date of birth and location from her facebook profile. Do you have any friends who live nearby who can help you?

peonieprincess · 12/07/2022 19:58

Yes I have been.
I work in a public role where the only thing I have is my reputation.
I called her in and told her in no uncertain terms that if she said one other defaming comment about me that I would
Take a civil case against her.
Think a mother defending her kids behaviour that was indefensible.

MissMissICantDoThis · 12/07/2022 19:58

Do you still have the messages?

Bobbybobbins · 12/07/2022 19:59

Setting up a second Fb profile as above is a very good idea - maybe you could join one of the online groups.

PuckeredArseFace · 12/07/2022 20:01

MarshaMelrose · 12/07/2022 19:42

I would film her when she's harassing you. But more shocking than her is that people are standing by and letting her do this. So I'd film her then post it on those Facebook groups to show them what she is subjecting you to.

Bad advice, it could antagonise her more.

Bluebellsand · 12/07/2022 20:04

If she blocks/ physically stops you from moving, call 999. I'm sorry she put you through that.

SummerWhisper · 12/07/2022 20:05

That woman is a combination of horrible things: a bully, a harasser, a discriminatory twat and a complete drama queen who needs to be the centre of attention. She has deliberately targeted you, once she sussed out how kind and friendly you were. I suspect she has done this before. You really need some support from perhaps a charity linked to your disability, the local authority's safeguarding team or a community police officer. Log it officially with the police as a hate crime. Go into a station, don't phone them. Ask for a crime reference number and repeat the complaint, asking for a reference number if she does this again. I wish so much that I could be there with you. I hate people like this woman. I'm so sorry 💐

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