To say these men shouldn't be allowed to keep this child.

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2 men hire a surrogate to have a child for them via IVF. They wanted 2 boys (had names and gmail accounts for them already🙄).
The IVF clinic implanted a female foetus, and now they are suing the clinic.

I don't think they should be allowed to raise a child they clearly don't want.

www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/same-sex-couple-sues-fertility-clinic-over-alleged-wrong-sex-embryo-implant/

YABU they will be fine parents and their daughter will in no way be scarred for life

YANBU babies arent commodities. They should never be bought and sold, and being female is not a defect

Yes, no matter whether it's around abortion, surrogacy, I'm presuming sex work you include in that too.

I don't think anyone has a right to another human's body by way of transaction. Surrogacy is a transaction to gain a human being.

But why would it have to, there is nothing to say they don't love her, just like most parents who suffer gender disappointment love their children in the end.

So many people often know their parents would have preferred all boys and had all girls etc. it's not that unusual for parents to be quite honest about this, doesn't seem to cause lifelong trauma in most either.

People are conflating their (weird) views on surrogacy with a pretty straightforward legal case of medical negligence

No one has a right to anyone else's body, but women sure should have the choice on what to do with their bodies.

This woman chose to be a surrogate, should she not be allowed to chose what happens to her body?

Doesn't a child have the right to be with their mother?

They have the right to be with their parents.

Not the gestational carrier or egg donor if that's what you mean.

Odd how it's always what about the mother with you lot, this child is with her father and his partner.

Many women choose surrogacy as a means to make money as they are desperate, similar to those who sell a kidney. Neither is ethical in my mind.

And many don't, it's a bit infantilising to say no women should be able to chose this because some might be coerced.

Same applies surely to abortion, I'd hope you wouldn't be for banning that because many women are forced by abusive partners to abort their children, or some women use it as 'birth control' or some women might use it because they don't like the sex etc.

No one has a right to anyone else's body, but women sure should have the choice on what to do with their bodies.

This is contradictory.

If no one has a right to anyone else's body then it is wrong for people to commission children because they want one.

If its such a free choice, then how come all these wealthy blokes who want babies don't just get their privileged, wealthy female friends to have babies for them?

Tom Daly must have lots of female friends so how come he had to pay a stranger in America to be his incubator?

I think treating a baby as a commodity, so something you can buy is wrong

I'm getting a bit sick of people weaponising abortion rights tbh - TRAs are at it, and now people who think that farming babies is A-Ok are also at it.

Then google it and find out. It's not hard.

Hardly weaponising anything, it's called comparing.

It's weird to hold two very different views around a central topic, Tory either believe women should have full agency over their bodies or you don't.

@ThickCutSteakChips in the US especially there are professional surrogates, I would chose one of those over a close friend, no matter how wealthy any day.

Also for many wealthy women they work, and taking time off to have a baby doesn't appeal, for professional surrogates this is their job.

Because if you are providing reproductive labour because you are in poverty and you need the money then it's not 'full agency over your own body' is it?

Do you agree that people should be allowed to sell their organs in the name of bodily autonomy? An eye? A kidney perhaps?

Its not weird at all unless you haven't understood the topic.

Pro-choice for abortion. Against selling womens bodies for either sex or surrogacy. These two ideas are not in anyway mutually exclusive and are actually both held by the majority of people.

Why would you choose a 'professional surrogate'? Because you wouldn't want to see your friend risk their health but you are OK with a stranger doing it for you if the price is right?

The term 'professional surrogate' makes my skin crawl. Wombs for rent - yay!

@ThickCutSteakChips and who are you to decide whether the surrogate in this case was in poverty?

You can't restrict the woman's right to choose based on some maybe being used, or coerced, or economically forced into surrogacy.

The exact same principles relate to other choices women should have over their own bodies.

In the US there are professional surrogates, this is their job. They chose to do it, compared to any other role it was what they decided to do, some for the money yet, but so what, that's called a choice, we all have them.

And to compare it to organ donation is very silly, the risks associated with organ donation far outweighs the risks of pregnancy in a healthy woman.

Human bodies as nothing more than a commodity is disgusting. How can anyone defend it?

@ThickCutSteakChips nope, I'd use a professional as they are used to the process, less risk of them doing something to harm the baby unintentionally, less risk of them wanting to turn around and keep the baby at the end.

I'd chose someone who had done it before over a friend any day.

Quite easily.

It's her body to sell.

Unless you don't think women should have the choice on what to do with their bodies?

@CupidStunt22 interesting you think those are views held by the majority.

It's quite hypocritical to say how or when a woman has choice over her body, anyone doing so isn't pro women at all.

It's been well documented the stigma behind sex work is what leads to the most risks for those women, these are facts. Your very outdated and old fashioned views aren't helping anyone tbh.

Jesus Christ.......

And to compare it to organ donation is very silly, the risks associated with organ donation far outweighs the risks of pregnancy in a healthy woman.

What, in a 7th, 8th, 9th pregnancy? You sound totally clueless about pregnancy and birth, like you have no idea what it entails and the risks involved?

And if it's just a job like any other, do you think 'professional surrogate' could go on the list of jobs at the job centre that you have to do if you want to be eligible for benefits? If not, why not?

Also for many wealthy women they work, and taking time off to have a baby doesn't appeal, for professional surrogates this is their job.

Have I misunderstood this or are you saying that if a woman doesn't want to take time off work then it's ok for her to rent another woman's womb for the purpose of growing a baby and then taking the baby for herself?

This is all getting a bit Handmaid's Tale here. You can't see how this is ripe for abuse?

Why stop there. Maybe a woman can't be arsed with the effort of pregnancy. Maybe she doesn't want her body to change. Stretch marks? Yeeuuck! Best pay someone else to go through the physical trauma for me.