To say these men shouldn't be allowed to keep this child.

[GrabbyGabby]

2 men hire a surrogate to have a child for them via IVF. They wanted 2 boys (had names and gmail accounts for them already🙄).
The IVF clinic implanted a female foetus, and now they are suing the clinic.

I don't think they should be allowed to raise a child they clearly don't want.

www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/same-sex-couple-sues-fertility-clinic-over-alleged-wrong-sex-embryo-implant/

YABU they will be fine parents and their daughter will in no way be scarred for life

YANBU babies arent commodities. They should never be bought and sold, and being female is not a defect

You really think the whole host of children who know their parents preferred a different sex are traumatised?

There's a fucking hell of a lot of them that are the world over and you pretending not to know that is pathetic.

Christ! "Paid for a healthy baby of a specific sex"

I feel ill reading that. Stated as though it's as simple a transaction as buying a new telly.

@GromblesofGrimbledon Especially when you think of how often female babies are aborted or infanticided for being female, around the world.

Aww I'm sorry to disappoint but baby girl is past the half way cooked stage.

Poor kid

There are also a hell of a lot of traumatised children from their parents divorce, do you advocate for banning that too?

More children traumatised by that than knowing their mum wanted a girl and got 4 boys.

Aww I'm sorry to disappoint but baby girl is past the half way cooked stage.

Phew! Glad you got your money's worth. Shame it wasn't a hole in one, but you got there eventually 👍🏻

Keep trying to deflect and change the subject @alphapie you cannot back up the claims you are making and you are only making those claims to shore up your own feelings and actions.

I know right, everything works out in the end, as it will for these dads

What claims haven't I backed up?

Hardly changing the subject, it's asking a question since you are so against anything that might traumatise a child.

Do you think parents should be allowed to divorce, since this is a major source of childhood trauma in children

I wonder if the couple in the article knew the sex from early pregnancy testing?

That's a good point, if they did and decided to not push for a termination of this pregnancy the clinic could defend their ongoing lifestyle costs element of this claim. They'd still be liable to the cost of additional sex selection services though

What claims haven't I backed up?

Too many to list.

Hardly changing the subject, it's asking a question since you are so against anything that might traumatise a child.

More hyperbole.

Do you think parents should be allowed to divorce, since this is a major source of childhood trauma in children

See above post re deflection and subject changing.

We're all well aware that certain states have very backwards attitudes towards women.

That's a good point, if they did and decided to not push for a termination of this pregnancy the clinic could defend their ongoing lifestyle costs element of this claim. They'd still be liable to the cost of additional sex selection services though

Brilliant. Sex-selective abortions too. Are they morally ok?

Sex selection should never have happened in the first place. Designer babies are unethical.

I hope that they are successful when they sue. I hope that they bankrupt and render unviable the whole sordid industry.

Why? What's wrong with a girl?

Of course they are, abortions for any reasons are morally ok if you are pro choice, which I know from previous posts you are not.

@DdraigGoch why would I know, you'd need to ask them why their preference was for 2 boys.

Now who is deflecting, I thought you'd be against anything that could lead to traumatised children.

You can't name any claims I haven't backed up and you won't answer basic questions.

A little pathetic really

One of my grandfathers was overjoyed when his first grandson was born. He'd had four daughters, and (up to that point) three granddaughters. A few days later another granddaughter was born, but he died around the same time so never met her. Had he lived longer, do you not think it possible that the relationship between the grandson and his cousin who were born days apart could have been affected by the golden child status that grandson may well have got as far as his grandfather was concerned? That there might have been resentment?

@DdraigGoch and in this case were all of those girls traumatised? His daughters and grand daughters

As that's what some are claiming on here, just knowing there was a preference = trauma

Staying together in a bad relationship "for the sake of the child" is usually more damaging than separating.

More than a "preference" if they were prepared to pay tens of thousands in a failed attempt to guarantee it. More of a fixation.

What's so bad about girls?

If you read the post, he died within a few days of the grandson being born. Long before any favouritism would have been noticed.

Of course they are, abortions for any reasons are morally ok if you are pro choice, which I know from previous posts you are not.

I don't go in for the terms "pro-life" and "pro-choice", but I'll go with your terminology here for the sake of argument and say no, I'm not.

But even putting myself in the shoes of someone who thinks women have the right to abortions, I cannot see why, within this moral framework, aborting a baby you were happy to have until the point where you discover it is a girl is a moral thing to do.

That is heinous.