To say these men shouldn't be allowed to keep this child.

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2 men hire a surrogate to have a child for them via IVF. They wanted 2 boys (had names and gmail accounts for them already🙄).
The IVF clinic implanted a female foetus, and now they are suing the clinic.

I don't think they should be allowed to raise a child they clearly don't want.

www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/same-sex-couple-sues-fertility-clinic-over-alleged-wrong-sex-embryo-implant/

YABU they will be fine parents and their daughter will in no way be scarred for life

YANBU babies arent commodities. They should never be bought and sold, and being female is not a defect

The surrogate is the child’s legal parent at birth in the U.K. FFS.

Chanced it once, had our gorgeous son, wanted to stop at 2 so paid to ensure we got the girl we wanted from the start.

You are editing the definitions to only include the bit that suits you. The first defintion of mother in the OED is:

"a. The female parent of a human being; a woman in relation to a child or children to whom she has given birth; (also, in extended use) a woman who undertakes the responsibilities of a parent towards a child, esp. a stepmother."

Totally different scenario. There are huge additional costs associated with raising a child with a disability. The couple here are saying they now have to have 3 children instead of 2 because they now have this extraneous girl messing up the gaff.

According to the Oxford English Dictionary, a mother is:

The female parent of a human being;
a woman in relation to a child or children to whom she has given birth;
(also, in extended use) a woman who undertakes the responsibilities of a parent towards a child, esp. a stepmother.

Did you miss this case is in the US or...

I think there's clearly a personal reason that they don't want to share as to why alpha needs to tie themselves in knots to justify to themselves that a woman who carries and births a baby is just a gestational carrier, as if she's nothing more to the baby than a walking incubator. Nature and biology beg to differ.

I agree ^

Defintion of mother in English law:

"The woman who is carrying or has carried a child as a result of the placing in her of an embryo or of sperm and eggs, and no other woman, is to be treated as the mother of the child."

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2008/22/section/33

Which country are you in that allows you to have sex selection and doesn't regard the woman who gives birth as the mother alphapie?

Because they are a raging misogynist who doesn't care about the needs of newborns?

If the child was born last year, removing her from their care is more likely to cause attachment issues than a surrogacy arrangement, I would have thought.

Thanks for answering.

The one thing I’ve noticed throughout this thread is that people who support the concept of surrogacy seem to be coming at it from an angle of THEIR wants THEIR needs, THEIR ideals. I can’t help but worry about where the children’s well-being is among all of this.

Why are they assigning a sex to their child? How do they know that she is not a he? /s

Do you really think nobody else is capable of looking up a dictionary?

The actual definition in the Oxford Dictionay, which you have edited to "prove" your point is: The female parent of a human being; a woman in relation to a child or children to whom she has given birth; (also, in extended use) a woman who undertakes the responsibilities of a parent towards a child, esp. a stepmother.

That's probably one of the more pathetic efforts at trying to prove a point I have ever seen - you check the dictionary, see 3 different meanings, remove the one that disproves your point and post the other 2 😂

This is a weird generalisation, gay men are as likely to be good or bad parents as straight men

I know it’s in the US. So what? You’re trying to pretend a surrogate isn’t a mother.

Alog with sex selection, did you use a surrogate alphapie?

Is that why you're so desperate to convince yourself about gestational carriers?

‘The girl we wanted from the start’. How nice for your son.

@Justdontgetit000 they might believe that a child doesn't get to choose how it's conceived.

What negatives are there to this child, who will grow up in what appears to be a loving home with parents who are able to provide for them.

I know of plenty of children who can't say that unfortunately.

The only data on long term outcomes for children through surrogacy are conflated with adoption outcomes, removing children at birth from the person who gave birth to them has been shown to have no detrimental impact in terms of attachment, babies don't form attachments to their primary care givers until 4 weeks old. Foster to adopt in the UK is the same principle but for adoption over surrogacy, and is being pushed as it's so much better for the children.

Nope, my womb works just fine thanks for asking

But I'd have had no issue using one if I needed to.

Quite, he is a lovely child, who is adored by both his parents. It's a very nice life for him

I'm not pretending anything.

The surrogate in this case is not that child's mother,

Well the negatives may be later in life if/when she discovers this situation as it’s now public.

The fact that these guys really wanted two boys only makes me sad, I just feel we should be grateful for any human being that we get to raise! It’s not their fault, they didn’t ask to be born. It makes me wonder whether this might affect her growing up, not even deliberately from them, but unconsciously because they know they didn’t want a girl and now they’re “stuck” with her.

Im sure as you said they’ll love her regardless, and I have zero problem with gay or lesbian couples raising kids, someone’s sexual orientation literally means nothing to me, just whether they’re a good person.

It’s just got me thinking whether this is all ethical, reading some of the posts on this thread make me question whether sex selection and surrogacy are in the best interests of the children created from them.

Loads of people have a preference for a particular sex child. The gmail address is a bit... overly planned... but being disappointed to find out your child is not the sex you hoped for is common, and doesn't inevitably lead to poor parenting.

Id be happy for all surrogacy to be banned internationally. It's never done in the best interests of the baby. And yeah they shouldn't be allowed to raise a baby if they really hate the fact she's a girl that much. It's like they think they've been sent the wrong pair of shoes or something.

@B0ssAssB1tch Imagine how this LO will feel when she learns about how unhappy they were to get her.

In the UK we can't pay for babies via surrogacy

@alphapie People can pay 'expenses' and set the price of the 'expenses' pretty high, so it's effectively paying for it, just under a euphemism.