To go on a plane with covid?

[Coursha]

I have covid right now and due to fly to Spain in a few days. The rules are that I just need to show my vaccine pass but doesn’t seem to say don’t travel of you have covid. Can this be right? Don’t know if I need to cancel. I tested positive 4 days ago.

Exactly.

Like stupid shit like this...

I actually wish there hadn't been a vaccine and it had just wiped everyone out

Ridiculous scaremongering like that has a LOT to answer for throughout this whole thing.

The reality is that there will be people on planes with covid regardless of whether those who have symptoms are travelling. That is now baked in, as are any staff shortages that may result, because Omicron cannot be controlled. For the same reason, travel restrictions at least in the UK aren't going to happen either. Because it's closing the stable door long after the horse has bolted, and doing economic damage too. There may be some countries who attempt it of course, can't speak for the whole globe. But not round our way.

Guidance is to stay away from vulnerable people for ten days after testing.

So yes, a twatty thing to do.

If they're vulnerable and still choosing to fly, then that is clearly their decision. They'll be exposed to covid regardless due to asymptomatic infections, so expecting extra isolation from the likes of the OP is beyond ridiculous.

And about 40% of plane air is recycled - but it goes through filtration - it's not 100% that is pumped in via the engines every 3-4 minutes.

@TheKeatingFive Well that's disablist of you. People are chosing to fly because we hope other people are being sensible.

Getting on a flight knowing you have covid is not sensible.

For anyone.

If you feel ok I would go! Most people don’t even test any more!
I’m sorry for the people who are still terrified of catching covid, but really that is for you to deal with.
nobody is responsible for your mental health issues. You need to get help for that. Life is carrying on as normal for most of us.

I'm going away on Tuesday and have absolutely zero intention of testing prior to going. There will probably be people on the flight asymptomatic, I could be for all I know, my child goes to nursery and has a snotty nose every 5 seconds.

One of the very main reasons I won't test is precisely incase I do pick up an asymptomatic case within our family because I wouldn't want to not go so 🤷‍♀️ it's life now.

Amazing how people read the guidelines to suit themselves! It clearly says 5 days from the day after the positive test. And that ‘many people’ will not be infectious after 5 days. So many people will also be infectious after that and it’s advised to stay away from more vulnerable people for 10 days. So your analogies really aren’t accurate

OP you can’t fly if you have symptoms of any infectious disease. You would be able to claim on travel insurance. So see how you are nearer the time but if you still have fever etc don’t go (or anyone in your party does). Mild cough/ fatigue etc may well linger but most of us know the difference between that and being actively unwell. If you go invest in medical grade masks for your party and wear them, you might just prevent someone spending their holiday with covid.

This is so true. How long did it take for the stigma around HIV to ease?

My sister has an autoimmune disease and would be extremely ill or even die if she caught covid. As the air is recirculated on a plane, everyone will be breathing your germs. You are being very selfish.

Nah, you just don't like them.

I explained quite clearly that I was talking about what would happen if she weren't still testing positive and had no symptoms, which is a realistic possibility 7-8 days after the test and 10 days after symptom onset. The fact is that people who say this is the same as travelling with D and V or chicken pox are doing so on the basis of an assumption that she'll still be ill, an assumption they have no basis at all to make. It's extremely silly.

It'd be a moral choice for me. People on the flight will be going on holiday, to see family or possibly business depending on destination. They could find themselves feeling really ill in another country (DH and myself were like zombies even with three jabs, struggled to even get drinks/food). Even if they don't feel too bad, you'll ruin their trip. Also, they'll be out mixing with others a lot, so possibly spreading it around before they have symptoms. Another, thing to think about is the people travelling through the airports, working there and also on the flight - if the flight attendants get it, chances are they could pass to a pilot, that'll be another cancelled flight or two as they won't have the staff.

It would be worth testing everybody before you set off for the airport, regardless of U.K. guidelines.

From the Gov.U.K. site about travel to Spain.
You may also be subject to additional checks at the point of entry including a temperature check, visual health assessment, or testing on arrival. Passengers may also be contacted and required to undertake a COVID-19 nucleic acid amplification test - NAAT (PCR or similar) at any point up to 48 hours after their arrival in Spain.

I think the government advice to get on with your life after 5 days is why so many people are infected at the moment. After 5 days I was at the height of coughing and using a box of tissues a day. Can't see how I wouldn't be infectious. Even for the next 5days I dress to think how many people I would have infected if I'd gone into an enclosed space like a plane for several hours.

Same for me when I flew to Barcelona earlier this week. All the airlines' conditions of carriage seem to say the same thing.

Just go OP.

It was a virus that was killing up 2000 a day at one point let's not minimise it and pretend it was just a bit of a cold
And in case it escaped your notice ,half the world had lockdowns of some kind some more severe restrictions then the UK.
Thankful we now have vaccines.

Yes. You are being utterly unreasonable.

Keep your Covid to yourself.

Maybe a bit of common sense!! FFS!!

You'll probably be negative when you're due to travel anyways, so depends how you feel I guess? I would be more worried of your family catching it in the few days from you. If you do decide to go, for Spain, you should wear masks in the plane (but depends on airline if they enforce it).

As already explained, air in planes is not recirculated.

Second, if your sister is that much at risk then she should never fly because it is impossible to guarantee that everyone on an aircraft is Covid-free. It’s tough for her, but there is no other way to guarantee her safety.

The expectation now is "Live with CV" Risk to the vulnerable is everywhere, so don't fly if you are vulnerable.

If ONS is picking up 2.5m infections when so few are testing, what is the real figure?

We've subtly switched from protecting the weak, to the weak can look after themselves.

Now i don't agree with that but this is what has happened.

My immune compromised sister is taking her first trip after covid and chemo and coming to visit us in Spain imagine if you sit next to her of all the twatty things to do.

You will be able to have free cancellation

Plus. Who wants to feel ill on holiday ? What if you get worse? Insurance won't. J er a pre existing condition

I tested more strongly positive on day 7 than on day 1, clearly highly infectious. YABVU to go and infect others. All these people ‘just carrying on’ are actually prolonging this d*mn pandemic and increasing the chance of more variants. We are holding off driving to our UK holiday until I test negative so I don’t infect ppl at service stations (toilets only real need).

I do not know what the rules are, but if I were to consider flying with COVID, then I would wear the best mask I could get and keep it on for the entire flight.