Police officers 'shared images of person who died by suicide' - Warning: graphic descriptions

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Warning: graphic descriptions follow, in BBC News article and BBC video interview with the family:

Two NI police officers have been investigated for more than three years over allegations they manipulated a person who died by suicide's body and shared photos and a video online.

One of the officers has been suspended with full pay while the Police Ombudsman investigates. It is part of a wider investigation encompassing 11 separate but related incidents spanning several years. There are multiple suspects, including police officers and civilians, in Northern Ireland as well as in England. The investigation is looking at a range of possible offences including misconduct, harassment and the suspected supply of drugs.

The allegations around the two Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI) officers are harrowing. The police officers asked the family to leave the room. The victim's body was moved around the room and posed for photographs and a video. His trousers were taken down and his genitalia exposed for one of the photographs. The images were then photoshopped with speech bubbles mocking the victim, including using a derogatory term for his religion and shared.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-62012268

The victim died in 2017 in Belfast. That is five years ago and still the police (PSNI) have not charged these sick and callous individuals. Only 30 hours of interviews have taken place in 5 years. When two disgraceful Met police officers similarly shared images of the bodies of murdered sisters Nicole Smallman and Bibaa Henry, they were quite rightly prosecuted and sent to prison - even by the Met.

The BBC recently broadcast interviews with two Police Service of Northern Ireland whistleblowers speaking publicly for the first time about serious allegations of misconduct and negligence within the PSNI:
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0017yyn

Some Mumsnetters will have also seen my threads and those of others about the death and disappearance of young Noah Donohoe, also in Belfast, in 2020. After he had been missing for 6 days, Noah's naked body was retrieved from a drain. Two years later, his mother Fiona is still having to fight for the truth about her son's death and for justice for him. It is the same police force: the Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI), and the same Chief Constable: Simon Byrne.
Here is a factual and reliable pinned Twitter thread for people new to Noah's story or wanting to know more:
mobile.twitter.com/MarymoBelfast/status/1370453351616425985
Here is Fiona's podcast:

Here is a Channel 4 News report: www.channel4.com/news/noah-donohoe-family-seek-answers-over-belfast-teenagers-death And please do sign Fiona's petition if you haven't already: www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/4573833-noah-donohoe-his-mothers-fight-for-the-truth-and-justice-please-help-stop-the-police-coroner-and-brandon-lewis-from-keeping-investigation-files-into-the-death-of-a-child-secret-thread-3?

These are only three examples of many serious failings from the PSNI. Victims' families have lost trust in them. Decent, whistleblowing officers have lost trust in them. The Metropolitan Police have recently been put into special measures for their failings. AIBU to believe that the same must happen with the lazy, corrupt, incompetent, racist and bigoted PSNI?

Utterly heartbreaking. I have signed the petition.
There is no excuse for not investigating this as murder.

They did not take and preserve samples to compare the water in Noah's lungs with the water in the drain to be able to confirm that was where he actually drowned and not, for example, in someone's bath tub or sink.

Sorry, to add, Noah's body did not look like it had spent six days in a dirty, bacteria and vermin infested drain and had travelled 950m through that rough terrain system. There was an injury to his head, he was muddy and there was some water damage to his hands and feet.

He had so much potential a gifted academic with a huge heart who wanted to change the world.

Heartbreaking.

Thank you @CanaryShoulderedThorn - the police (PSNI) are not looking for anyone in connection with Noah's disappearance and death. They pronounced 'no foul play' even before he was formally identified and a post mortem carried out. It is being dealt with only in the coroners court.

Add to this, racism. It is a minority, but a hardened minority in the community and in or empowered by the police and other institutions.

Let's not forget Shona Gillan the young Catholic girl who was found in suspicious circumstances but considered no foul play until after her cremation.

The case stinks of incompetent actions, her false eye lashes were still firmly in place when she apparently drowned 6 days earlier before being discovered.

I have not used that term. There are many things which should be resigned to the past, like the experiences of the man's family, Noah and Flynn's families, the whistleblowing police officers to name but a few.

Expensive methods certainly. It is not working. I keep hearing the term 'rigorous' being banded about but it is an untruth. Huge pressure is not happening either.

The behaviour of those police officers was utterly disgraceful
Agreed

and no-one has suggested otherwise.
The problem is that posters come on to a thread primarily about a person who died by suicide, about a boy who has died, about whistleblowers who have lost their careers and much else - all of whom have been failed dreadfully by the police/PSNI - and start defending the police, 'poor police', 'not all police are like that', 'not my experience of the police', denying the experience of the let down and abused and labelling it as 'police bashing'. I think we all know that there are some very decent police officers, we know full well 'not all police are like that' and we don't need it pointing out here. It is like when a woman is attacked or killed, people rush on to defend the men and their feelings, 'not all men are like that' - we know that. I have said before that I am the mother of sons and have some other truly wonderful men in my life. That should not be the focus at a time like this. The focus should be on the victims and the people including the police who have hurt them and let them down so badly.

@Ownedbymycats I apologise for calling you a sympathiser.

I have seen the word wrote in very recent times in relation to the IRA/UVF in newspapers off the back of Brexit.

But pp is right, some comments are an par with NAMALT.

I understand you meant NOT treated.

You should be confused. I'm confused. We are all confused. Where to start? It would take me so long to cover everything. Can I suggest that you watch Fiona's podcast and the C4 News report, and read the Twitter thread I link to in my OP? This is the PSNI police officer, Muir Clarke, who announced that 'no foul play' was involved even before Noah had been formally identified and a post mortem completed and repeatedly warned people not to speculate.

You have an agenda. So say it!

Post about Noah. Post about the hurt.

Don't post a sensationalist headline and then drop it in later. Why do this?

No, shes right.

Are you under the impression the force act as one? this is what happened with BLM, and it didnt help anyone.

And yes, I'm a sympathiser of the police. Is there an issue with that?

Sensationalist headlines don't help .
They are honest headlines. They might be uncomfortable to read, but they are honest. And most importantly, they are about real people, including an innocent child, who were loved and deserved better from those paid and entrusted to provide a decent and fair service for all the public.

I have answered you quite clearly already. You choose to ignore or dismiss my answer for reasons best known to yourself. You clearly have an agenda, which appears to be pro-police and anti-BLM. I get that. This thread isn't the place for your agenda and distraction techniques. Most posters are posting about the full range of issues in my OP. Please don't try to derail the thread further.

@EmeraldShamrock1 I have just done some brief reading about Shona Gillian. Where she was found is very close to Belfast.
There seems to be some parallels going on between these two tragedies.
I knew someone who died in strange circumstances and the investigation was bungled by the (London based) police
It's just horrible not getting the answers around this kind of unpredictable and horrific event.

And finally to deal with this, are you under the impression that institutional bigotry, misogyny and racism do not exist, including within the PSNI? Are you under the impression that this is all the fault of a few bad apples, a tiny minority, one or two individuals? Are you under the impression that, even if this was the case, those bad apples are dealt with swiftly, decisively and appropriately? The experience of many with the PSNI and other forces, including the cases I link to, says that you have the wrong impression.

Are you a police office, serving or retired, or related to one? You keep posting about and against the BLM movement - why is that? I haven't posted about BLM once and nor has anyone else except you, making it an issue. I have to ask: are you racist?

And yes, I'm a sympathiser of the police. Is there an issue with that?
The issue is that yes, on this thread about victims of the police, that NAPALT is tone deaf. Do you have any sympathy for them, these victims?

"Do you have any sympathy for them, these victims?"
Everyone has sympathy with the victims but that doesn't mean we have to castigate an entire police force. Some police officers, who are suspended, have behaved atrociously but that doesn't mean their colleagues have all behaved in a similar fashion.

Shocking given GDPR laws and such.
Then there's morality on top of that of which they have none.

And NAPALT.

But certainly not as bad as the derogatory name those police officers used in a speech bubble about the person who had died by suicide.

I hadn't even thought of it from a GDPR point of view @Rahrahrahrahannoyed - yes, completely immoral.

I don't believe that everyone does have sympathy with the victims, sadly. Again, you want to focus on NAPALT. Again, we know this. Not all the police officers are suspended. What about the colleagues who turn a blind eye or cover up for their colleagues? Have you watched the BBC Spotlight PSNI whistleblowers programme I have linked to yet? It was the whistleblowers themselves who suffered the most. Wayne Couzens colleagues in the Met also spring to mind, although there are many other examples. The PSNI officers involved in Noah Donohoe's poor excuse for an investigation are still at work. Perhaps you also think that the Met shouldn't be in special measures either?

Thank you for mentioning this @EmeraldShamrock1 It is really important that people know this. Noah was completely innocent. He was beautiful inside and out, a very bright boy who wanted to be a doctor to help people, sporty, musical, kind, gentle, funny, loving and much loved at home and at school. Danger found him that day. He was no threat to anyone. He did not deserve what happened to him and he did not deserve the sort of police 'investigation' he has been given. And nor does his mother.

And what threat was the person who died by suicide to those police officers? What had he done to deserve what they did to his body and to his family?

Its indefensible. Simple as that. How any mother couldnt agree.that this is not the worse type of injustice is beyound me.

The truth will out. Have faith. But at what cost to the families? I honestly cant believe that no one could read these stories and defend those in power to protect.

It's only when your the other end of needing help in your most vulnerable time can you ever really understand the utter contempt for justice.

My friend is almost four years into a rape trail. Do the met care about justice or a conviction? Like fuck do they. Justice doesnt register.get one member of the met to tell me they care and would call bullshit in their face.

But like the two sisters mothers, time will not hold back the truth. It will come. One day

Twitter thread about what these PSNI officers have done to the poor man and his family. You don't have to be on Twitter to read it. Just click on 'show more replies' if the thread stops:

twitter.com/GrantSana/status/1544933598670864385

Both cases are rank sectarianism by bigots a bigoted organisation.