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To limit contact with ex MIL out even though my kids adore her

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user1498596172 · 07/07/2022 06:36

This is abit long so bare with me!

I (F31) seperated from my ex partner 16 months ago. We were together 13 years, three children aged 11, 7 and 4.

My ex MIL has always been amazing with our kids, but horrible to me. She treats me like a child, gives unwarranted and unasked for advice, and generally oversteps boundaries frequently.

Since me and my ex split under horrific circumstances (I can't explain too much due to legal reasons but it's probably worse than you'd expect), but the part I can divulge is he cheated on me for the last time.

Despite his legal problems his mum stuck by him. His mental health issues were a big factor, but alot of it was his own doing. He was exceptionally abusive in the aftermath as he didn't want to leave the family home, threatened suicide alot as a way to control people around him, and is now playing victim and saying he's the victim of abuse from me, his mum and his accusor.

He didn't see the children for their own safety for about 8 months due to all this.

So my MIL really stepped up and helped me out with childcare. She was always very generous with her time, and adores my kids, but it always came at a cost of the above.

She has taken this to mean she's a coparent. She went to the school to try and get their records, she makes decisions without telling me about it, and when it was time to reintroduce the kids she took matters into her own hands to decide details. She was incredibly nasty during this time to me, accusing me of not doing what's right for the kids, but my ex really wasn't stable and all I wanted was a timetable for contact to be built up. On the second visit he slept over, and I was at work and couldn't do anything about it. She informed me (informed, not ask) about 10 minutes before.
She also feeds them alot of junk food, but tells me it's my fault they're overweight! She has them 2/3 nights a week and they come home telling me they've had McDonald's/ice cream/crisps/chocolate. When I raise it with her, she tells me I don't take them out for exercise enough and she just wants to be a nanny and do what nanny's do, which is spoil her grandkids. I literally cannot win.

She has also taken massive offence to me being in a relationship.

Now, it hasn't been perfect. We've been dating 10 months. We met not wanting a relationship, and it took a little while to establish boundaries and what we were. During this time he cheated on me, and when things started getting more serious he admitted to what he'd done so that we could go forward without secrets. He adores me, treats me very well and loves my kids despite never having wanted his own. He's 31 and I'm his first proper girlfriend as he was a bit of a whore before.

But because he cheated (and I stupidly told her because she called me when I was upset) she constantly tells me how much of a red flag he is, how we're moving too fast (we don't live together or anything, just spend alot of time together with the kids) and generally tries to get in my head about it. She seems totally unaware of the fact that her son is a walking red flag and was abusive for years, and never once told me to run from him and instead 'try to make it work and perhaps there's things I could do'.

Now I'm not suggesting I limit their time to be petty. If it were up to me, I would cut their entire family out because theyre all toxic. But I am looking for a new job where I can be less reliant on her. I think as the kids get older they'll realise that for themselves. She openly disrespects me in front of them, and I don't bite so as to not cause a scene. But it's getting harder and harder. I'm given no credit for keeping my kids heads above water by myself after their dads behaviour, nor am I respected as their mother by either of them. It was a truly horrendous time as we suffered a close bereavement, a seperation and the arrest all within three weeks of each other, and she was there for all of the abuse. I just don't understand.

Aibu?

OP posts:
theremustonlybeone · 07/07/2022 07:44

So after separating with your ex which you describe as ‘in horrific circumstances’. You allowed your toxic MIL to provide childcare and you have been off out two or three nights a week. You start dating quickly with no thought to how your children are feeling about the whole horrific situation. It seems now you have a new shitty bloke you don’t need your MIL anymore and want to cut ties. Funny you didn’t mind all her help before but instead now are listing all the reasons she shouldn’t be around them. Why don’t you put your DC first and not move this cheating bloke into there home. I think you need to get RL support as this isn’t good at all

lonelydad2022 · 07/07/2022 07:45

First real girlfriend and he wants to try with one with 3 children after 10 months. Hmm.

dramakween · 07/07/2022 07:47

Look up 'going no contact' and 'grey rock' suggest you do this with your MIL and anyone else in your life who shows zero respect for you.

If the kids dad is in the picture he is responsible for managing the kids relationship with his mum, which should happen during his time with the kids. If you want to have an arrangement with her to have the kids during your time, that is your prerogative, but think you would be better off getting her out of your life since she treats you with such plain disrespect.

Don't let her criticism or abuse you. She doesn't have any right to tell you how to live your life or parent your kids, even if look after the kids.

Great idea to get a job so you are less reliant on her but even if she is in the kids lives you don't really need to interact with her, eg. you give your kids a hug at front door, say goodbye then ring the bell and make sure they get in ok, but no need to talk to her beyond the bare minimum of hello and goodbye. Come up with a similar strategy for pick up. As they get older you let them go to the front door on their own. If they ask why, justbe honest and say, 'I choose not to be around people who don't treat me with respect'

Accept you are never going to be able to control what she feeds the children when they are with her. If she wants to spoil them and not look after them in an 'everyday' way, with regular healthy meals etc, then that another reason to wind back the visits to an occasional treat.

THisbackwithavengeance · 07/07/2022 07:50

Sounds like your kids have been through a lot and will benefit from a stable relationship with a grandma who adores them and whom they adore. Plus you were happy to use her for free childcare when you wanted to go out socialising.

Plenty on here will tell you to go no contact. That's for your benefit not your kids.

I think denying your kids a relationship with someone they love would be beyond spiteful personally.

chrissypissy · 07/07/2022 07:50

Maybe your MIL is overbearing because at the moment you are making bad decisions and not putting the welfare of your children first?

Hoppinggreen · 07/07/2022 07:56

Your MIL might be overbearing or she might be a Grandma worried about her GC living with someone who makes bad decisions regarding men.
Stay single and focus on recovering from your ex for now and then consider dating etc when things have settled down a bit. When you do pick someone better

vivainsomnia · 07/07/2022 07:59

OP, everything seems to be about you. You were happy to deal with your MIL when it suited you, for childcare, to have a social life, a break. You acknowledge how much your kids adore her, but now that you might need need her any longer, you wanted to deprive your kids and her of each other?

Are you not thinking how devastating it would be for her after all she's done for you? Is she really so nasty she deserves this? More importantly, can't you think how devastating and hurtful that would be for your kids who clearly have spent a lot of time with her, built a strong bond and that after all that has happened to them, she has been a strong support to them?

Taking them away is hurting them first, is that what you want for your kids? If you need your sanity, limit all contact with her as much as possible, but please don't stop your kids spending with her, that would just be nasty and that is what they will remember as they get older.

Holymole · 07/07/2022 07:59

I agree with you about your MIL having no boundaries, and wouldn't blame you for taking a step back.

However, your boyfriend sounds like a loser and I don't understand why you're having him spend so much time with your kids. How can he adore you and be a good man if he's cheated on you so early on? Assume by calling him a whore you mean he likes sleeping around - that hasn't changed by the sound of it.

I think you need to bin off him and the mother in law and focus on rebuilding a life for you and your dc.

Testina · 07/07/2022 07:59

Your MIL is right about your new boyfriend.
She was wrong about her own son, but thar doesn’t make her wrong about this waste of skin. You don’t want to hear it though 🤷🏻‍♀️

10 months, and he’s not even committed to you yet you let him spend lots of time with your children who are already going through seriously traumatic events. You need to be a better parent than that.

See when he told you he cheated? That’s not because of a drive for honesty and to move forward. That’s him double checking your (non existent) boundary - so he knows he can get away with all sorts in future because you make bad choices.

Carry on with the mistake of seeing him if you must, but stop dragging your poor children into it.

chrissypissy · 07/07/2022 08:00

And to be fair, the fact that you have even started this topic shows that you are continuing to make bad decisions and decisions centered around you. I don't particularly get on with my own family but that would never ever stop them from seeing my kids. Don't let your own personal issues affect your kids. What you have stated is essentially using them as pawns and that's simply wrong.

B0ssAssB1tch · 07/07/2022 08:03

To be fair, it sounds like she thinks she is co-parenting because she is - she has your kids almost half the time and shes trying to look out for your kids because you're making a terrible mistake with this new bloke you've known 5 minutes and he's already cheated on you. It sounds like you need to be single for a bit, focus on your kids and get some boundaries in place. You got together with this new bloke 6 months after the end of your horrific relationship and even though you had a slow start, he "loves your kids" already, a few months in. Just how much time has he spent with them already?

That doesn't excuse her being nasty to you or her allowing the kids dad to sleep over with them after everything he's done. Those poor children, is all i can think really. Put them first.

EsmeeMerlin · 07/07/2022 08:05

Mil is clearly unreasonable in lots of ways however it does sound as if she has been looking after them a lot and consequently probably was co-parenting! She also has some valid points about your new boyfriend. Why you would let this man spend so much time with your kids I don't know and so maybe your mil wants to keep an eye out on that. Your whole relationship needs resetting with new boundaries but I would not stop contact if your children adore her and have already been through a lot.

Lingoflaming · 07/07/2022 08:07

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Time to ditch the potential paedophile boyfriend & MIL and establish boundaries around your family. You don't need to be in a relationship now because you need learn to be a parent.

www.nhs.uk/mental-health/children-and-young-adults/advice-for-parents/

RockinHorseShit · 07/07/2022 08:07

FGS do not bite your lip if she's abusive in front of your DCs, you are teaching them not to stand up for themselves & id call her out to the DCs too, she's got away with it too long. "Oh dear , how rude. Is Nanny, "we don't act like that as it's not nice & we talk don't want to people like that do we children" & keep at it... I'd also be telling her straight to back the fuck off with the co parenting nonsense & massively overstepping. People only walk over you if you let them. Stop letting her

She is very toxic & I'd be keeping my kids away from that for sure unless things change massively

Lingoflaming · 07/07/2022 08:08

Tbh your mil probably thinks you're putting her grandchildren at risk from a potential paedophile. I bet you hadn't considered that because it's all about you.

chrissypissy · 07/07/2022 08:08

One of my sisters took about 2 years of dating a new man before she allowed him to meet her kids.

My other sister was the opposite and introduced them quite quickly to two different guys.

I have a lot of respect for the first sister. And if I was in the same position i wouldn't introduce a woman to my kids lives for quite some time i can assure you.

LookItsMeAgain · 07/07/2022 08:08

bishbashboshhhhh · 07/07/2022 06:46

Stop using your mil for free childcare.

Stop dating someone who was a bit of a whore, he does not need to be actively meeting your dc this early on

it all sounds like a car crash tbh

This.

luxxlisbon · 07/07/2022 08:11

2/3 nights a week and every other weekend is A LOT so I’m not surprised she feels entitled to make some decisions for the children. She’s practically raising them too.

It’s concerning that now she has spoken out about your new bf you suddenly want to cut her off.

You need to be spending more of your free time with your kids who will have been massively impacted by your toxic marriage and now a new toxic bf.

Icanstillrecallourlastsummer · 07/07/2022 08:13

It sounds like you have involved her in your life to a huge extent when convenient for you (HUGE amount of childcare for work and socialising, venting your boyfriend issues etc) and now don't like she is getting too invovled. While it might not be her place, if she's looking after your children for half the week so you not only can work, but also go out with your new boyfriend I think it's not a big surprise that she's going to have an opinion. You say she thinks she's a coparent, and you don't want that, but it sounds like you have treated her like one.

So yes, your MIL shouldn't be as involved in your life as she is. But it's no surprising given the amount you have invovled her. If you want to step back then stop using her to faciliate your social life. And the new boyfriend sounds like bad news.

Catsdrool · 07/07/2022 08:16

so She’s having your kids several nights a week so you can go out dating with your new catch (he’s really not a catch).

while you might want to limit contact with your MIL it sounds like you want to do it for entirely selfish reasons

DangerNoodles · 07/07/2022 08:18

You need to think about the impact going NC with your MIL will have on your DCs. She sounds like she has been a constant, stable figure in thier lives during a traumatic time. It sounds like you/they will need her again soon given the red flags all over this new relationship.

Also, grandparents don't have an automatic right to see grandchildren, however if she approaches the family court and shows them she has been doing 50-50 childcare, there is a good chance they will grant her contact, just like a non resident parent.

Thehop · 07/07/2022 08:23

theremustonlybeone · 07/07/2022 07:44

So after separating with your ex which you describe as ‘in horrific circumstances’. You allowed your toxic MIL to provide childcare and you have been off out two or three nights a week. You start dating quickly with no thought to how your children are feeling about the whole horrific situation. It seems now you have a new shitty bloke you don’t need your MIL anymore and want to cut ties. Funny you didn’t mind all her help before but instead now are listing all the reasons she shouldn’t be around them. Why don’t you put your DC first and not move this cheating bloke into there home. I think you need to get RL support as this isn’t good at all

Al this.

please think of your kids, they’re lurching from one difficult situation to another constantly. Watching how everyone treats you must be awful for them! Have some boundaries and time on your own with your kids to establish some firm ground for them.

Blobblobblob · 07/07/2022 08:23

The new guy has all the red flags, all of them. Ffs get rid of him.

Porcupineintherough · 07/07/2022 08:24

WeKnowFrogsGoShaLaLaLaLa · 07/07/2022 06:50

It's possible for your MIL to be both overbearing in some situations and right about the new boyfriend.

^^This.

GalactatingGoddess · 07/07/2022 08:26

MIL sounds difficult in some areas and you need to remind her of who is the parent BUT also be aware of the fact that if she's been having your children 2/3 nights a week or more, then she has been doing some elements of co-parenting, not just babysitting.

If the DC adore her, and the worst element is that she's overbearing/rude, I suspect the best thing to do is reset your relationship and continue to support the kids to see her but maybe a bit less? However if she truly is toxic then only you can decide how you want to proceed for the kids?

Also, re the boyfriend. You are moving too fast imo. Introduced him far too early, too much time potentially with him and the kids. No one is saying don't move on and be happy, but be sensible and don't jump into something that is potentially just as bad in the rush to just not be alone. He's cheated but you're making allowances, he knew what he was doing presumably. There are red flags. Also BE VERY VERY WARY of any man who suddenly fancies a ready made family after showing no desire for it previously.