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To think the country is b*gg*r*d, and life as we once knew it is over?

330 replies

RejectedFleece · 06/07/2022 18:05

Just that really.

OP posts:
IcedPurple · 06/07/2022 19:43

Booklover3 · 06/07/2022 19:34

^^ could you both stop replying with the whole text each time? It’s hard to see!

Yes, this was an interesting discussion until two people decided to make it a personal spat. Would be easy to ignore if it weren't for the wretched 'nesting' system which makes threads like this unreadable.

FortonServices · 06/07/2022 19:43

You don't get a free pass to be a nasty bastard because you're an immigrant.

She disagreed with you and you said "feel free to leave". Would you have made that comment to a British citizen?

Gingernaut · 06/07/2022 19:44

In a way, I think you're right OP.

Every time there's a recession, things fall down. Shops close, the economy contracts, people tighten their belts and the world gets a little smaller.

But things haven't fully recovered before the next blow.

Shops that still haven't opened, fall into dereliction, the quality of the the remaining shops falls, the quality in the shops goes down and more people try to find a way of cutting down - second jobs, third jobs, jobs in supermarkets for the discounts, wholesale clubs, car boots, a spot of tax dodging or insurance wangling.

Things start to fall apart as councils can't cover everything - potholes, care of the elderly, care of children, refuse collection and litter picking.

Everything shrinks back.

Big names on the high street, that used to be 'dependables' are no longer there - Littlewoods, Debenhams, House of Fraser, Top Shop, Top Man, Burtons, Evans, Mothercare - not only as places to shop, but places of employment.

The odd treat from M&S became the 'odd treat' from Sainsbury's.

Shopping for food at Marks or Waitrose, became shopping for food at Sainsbury's/Tesco. Shopping for food at Sainsbury's or Tesco became shopping from Aldi, Lidl, B&M, Home Bargains, Poundland or some weird discount goods place that has Arabic writing on the Palmolive shower gel.

Then the next recession/calamity hits and the cycle starts again.

We shrink and tighten again - this time to supermarket clothing, discount stores, charity shops and internet shopping to get items that can be no longer found on the high street.

The poorest neighbourhoods haven't seen anything like the recovery that many affluent areas have seen and some places no longer have a Tesco, an M&S or much by way of a variety of decent clothing stores.

Shops that were derelict are being demolished, more shops are closing, the only jobs are care work, driving or cleaning (must have own vehicle) and the streets become quieter, dirtier and tattier.

Even Oxford Street is a mess with fly by night tax dodgers setting up here today - gone tomorrow stores.

The housing market is an unholy mess, there are few good quality homes for rent at reasonable rates, social housing is sorely needed and what few jobs there are will be low paid or out of the reach of the unqualifieds like me.

We will carry on, but it's going to be an untidy, debt riddled mess. People who fund their lives with credit are going to have a huge shock.

LadyVictoriaSponge · 06/07/2022 19:45

FemmeNatal · 06/07/2022 19:17

Of course they are skilled jobs, but they are skill that any able and well person can learn.

Are you seriously suggesting that you don’t have the ability to learn plumbing?

Don’t underestimate the skills need to be a plumber, these skilled trade’s people fit boilers and heating systems and have a massive responsibility that your house doesn’t blow up, not everyone would have the aptitude or the intelligence to do that, it’s more than putting washers on leaking taps and plumbing in washing machines. You sound clueless.

LadyKenya · 06/07/2022 19:45

FemmeNatal · 06/07/2022 19:06

Have you worked in France too to be able to compare? Nepotism is absolutely rife there, far, far worse than in the UK.

It’s driven in part by how hard it is to let anyone go; no-one wants to take a risk on hiring without a personal recommendation.

Had to laugh at the equality of opportunity here. That is so not true.

stuntbubbles · 06/07/2022 19:45

Fucking hell, “learn to plumb” is the new “take in some ironing”.

Could the fishwives pack it in so the rest of us could have a decent discussion, or nah?

Carpy88999 · 06/07/2022 19:47

Are people this melodramatic in real life? If they are I've never experienced it myself.

Catfordthefifth · 06/07/2022 19:47

FortonServices · 06/07/2022 19:43

You don't get a free pass to be a nasty bastard because you're an immigrant.

She disagreed with you and you said "feel free to leave". Would you have made that comment to a British citizen?

Yes! If you don't want to share a country with thickos like us the obvious answer is to go somewhere with people whos intelligence you can put up with, no?

Because clearly all us Brits are useless thickos who can't even learn to plumb and would rather do nothing. But sure, that's fine to say and not offence in the least.

Catfordthefifth · 06/07/2022 19:48

IcedPurple · 06/07/2022 19:43

Yes, this was an interesting discussion until two people decided to make it a personal spat. Would be easy to ignore if it weren't for the wretched 'nesting' system which makes threads like this unreadable.

It wasn't personal until that poster made it so. Why should we ignore posters who look down on everyone and suggest stupid "solutions" while being rude? Are we not allowed to call people out anymore?!

QuebecBagnet · 06/07/2022 19:49

Maybe the last 30-35 years were an unexpected blip, we seem to be heading back to a 1970s era from an economy point of view. So yes, maybe the days of holidays, luxury goods we don’t need, disposable fashion, etc are over.

bellac11 · 06/07/2022 19:50

FortonServices · 06/07/2022 19:38

@Catfordthefifth

I'm all for debate but telling an immigrant that they are free to leave if they dare criticise their adopted country is straight out of Xenophobia 101.

I dont think thats what happened to be fair. The other poster, after some pretty snotty posts told that poster that she was in despair she shared her home with 'people like you'

I think its a fairly reasonable response to say in so many words, you dont have to, you're free to leave. I think thats the response one could make to anyone, if I said Im ashamed of my fellow countrymen (women) someone could quite reasonably say to me 'well you dont have to live here then'.

I think its convenient and has now shut down the points being made to play the xenophobe card.

Lesleyann13 · 06/07/2022 19:51

I agree, something feels really off and quite sinister. I’m managing ok for now but definitely don’t have the disposable income I once had. The amount jabs needed unnerves me too. Won’t be having anymore

swimlyn · 06/07/2022 19:52

You are correct.

A lot of PPs are sleepwalking over a cliff. 😩

FemmeNatal · 06/07/2022 19:52

FortonServices · 06/07/2022 19:38

@Catfordthefifth

I'm all for debate but telling an immigrant that they are free to leave if they dare criticise their adopted country is straight out of Xenophobia 101.

Thank you for writing this.

It’s genuinely the first time anyone has suggested to me that I leave the country if I disagree with them.

The UK is a wonderful, welcoming country that I am proud to call my home, but I do understand that there are some who’ll never view me as being “properly” resident so will say things like the above.

WhatsHoppening · 06/07/2022 19:52

My parents are in their sixties and keep telling me things will get better and it’s a blip. I’ve only ever lived through austerity and now the recent shit shows- we have never seen to experienced a ‘boom’ era (I’m 32). Or rather there has been but never when I’m old enough, high paid enough or can afford my own home to really make the most of it. I am envious of their life experience as ours just seems to be shit show after shit show.

Louise0701 · 06/07/2022 19:53

@Narcoticsexpressnyavan not necessarily.

Catfordthefifth · 06/07/2022 19:53

@FemmeNatal again, please do not lie about what I said. I haven't said a single word about your residency status. I simply called out your idiotic ideas. Two very different things. I will report your posts if you continue to make personal attacks.

IcedPurple · 06/07/2022 19:53

It wasn't personal until that poster made it so. Why should we ignore posters who look down on everyone and suggest stupid "solutions" while being rude? Are we not allowed to call people out anymore?!

Maybe do it by PM?

It's getting very tedious at this stage, especially having to scroll through the long 'nested' quotes.

bellac11 · 06/07/2022 19:54

Gingernaut · 06/07/2022 19:44

In a way, I think you're right OP.

Every time there's a recession, things fall down. Shops close, the economy contracts, people tighten their belts and the world gets a little smaller.

But things haven't fully recovered before the next blow.

Shops that still haven't opened, fall into dereliction, the quality of the the remaining shops falls, the quality in the shops goes down and more people try to find a way of cutting down - second jobs, third jobs, jobs in supermarkets for the discounts, wholesale clubs, car boots, a spot of tax dodging or insurance wangling.

Things start to fall apart as councils can't cover everything - potholes, care of the elderly, care of children, refuse collection and litter picking.

Everything shrinks back.

Big names on the high street, that used to be 'dependables' are no longer there - Littlewoods, Debenhams, House of Fraser, Top Shop, Top Man, Burtons, Evans, Mothercare - not only as places to shop, but places of employment.

The odd treat from M&S became the 'odd treat' from Sainsbury's.

Shopping for food at Marks or Waitrose, became shopping for food at Sainsbury's/Tesco. Shopping for food at Sainsbury's or Tesco became shopping from Aldi, Lidl, B&M, Home Bargains, Poundland or some weird discount goods place that has Arabic writing on the Palmolive shower gel.

Then the next recession/calamity hits and the cycle starts again.

We shrink and tighten again - this time to supermarket clothing, discount stores, charity shops and internet shopping to get items that can be no longer found on the high street.

The poorest neighbourhoods haven't seen anything like the recovery that many affluent areas have seen and some places no longer have a Tesco, an M&S or much by way of a variety of decent clothing stores.

Shops that were derelict are being demolished, more shops are closing, the only jobs are care work, driving or cleaning (must have own vehicle) and the streets become quieter, dirtier and tattier.

Even Oxford Street is a mess with fly by night tax dodgers setting up here today - gone tomorrow stores.

The housing market is an unholy mess, there are few good quality homes for rent at reasonable rates, social housing is sorely needed and what few jobs there are will be low paid or out of the reach of the unqualifieds like me.

We will carry on, but it's going to be an untidy, debt riddled mess. People who fund their lives with credit are going to have a huge shock.

Crime always increases during times of economic stress too

And I forgot to add in my long list, anyone who works in the courts will know only too well at the moment that the justice system and the civil courts system is also completely broken, no court time, no ushers, no judges.

plugee · 06/07/2022 19:54

@bellac11 my point was with have any issue with wage stagnation, you can disagree. Because of that more people are paying higher rates of tax. People have less disposable income because of high housing costs, again you can disagree.

DisgruntledPelican · 06/07/2022 19:54

I think you’re allowed to say buggered on Mumsnet

Provenceinthesummer · 06/07/2022 19:55

I felt the same a little while ago op, there has been a big shift, I think when Russia invaded Ukraine the feeling was overwhelming. Life before and after the invasion I knew things would never be the same again.
The chain of events will be unmistakable, we are already seeing the start. It won’t be just the energy and cost of living crisis, food shortages and the security issues we now face - but the real prospect of a long and drawn out Cold War.

I have been through many recessions and wars, this does feel different I agree, on a deep level something feels very wrong and my instincts are never wrong on this stuff. I can sense it.

Catfordthefifth · 06/07/2022 19:55

IcedPurple · 06/07/2022 19:53

It wasn't personal until that poster made it so. Why should we ignore posters who look down on everyone and suggest stupid "solutions" while being rude? Are we not allowed to call people out anymore?!

Maybe do it by PM?

It's getting very tedious at this stage, especially having to scroll through the long 'nested' quotes.

This is a forum, why do I need to pm someone about the topic the thread is about?

I'm sorry you don't like the quote function but that's not really my fault.

Eeksteek · 06/07/2022 19:55

Davyjones · 06/07/2022 18:33

Grow
meat? you’re a carnivore no? Prove it or get into the garden

What a strange attitude. You aren’t telling people they have to prove they are shoe-wearers by making their own shoes. You allow people to at cake if they can’t bake and watch tv even though they’ve never made a video? So why must people raise their own meat to be allowed to eat it? It’s utterly bizarre and reserved for meat, and for some even more inexplicable reason, changing a wheel. Why?!

DisgruntledPelican · 06/07/2022 19:55

Lesleyann13 · 06/07/2022 19:51

I agree, something feels really off and quite sinister. I’m managing ok for now but definitely don’t have the disposable income I once had. The amount jabs needed unnerves me too. Won’t be having anymore

Do… do you think these are connected?