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The government have completely trashed the nation's wellbeing.

258 replies

flashbac · 04/07/2022 15:52

People are struggling, prices of everyday items climbing every week (more so than in other developed countries). Everyone's spirit appears to be low. The jubilee weekend raised spirits a little but only temporarily.
Yes, post pandemic fatigue is probably a factor but I can't think of a single thing this government has done that has improved the lives of ordinary working people. In fact, quite the opposite.

(Come at me Tory troll farms)

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Provenceinthesummer · 05/07/2022 14:12

This is just a pathetic gov bashing thread, and it’s boring and not remotely attached to the real reasons we are in this position. Sad.

theyhavenothingbuttheaudacity · 05/07/2022 14:16

Provenceinthesummer · 05/07/2022 14:12

This is just a pathetic gov bashing thread, and it’s boring and not remotely attached to the real reasons we are in this position. Sad.

Why do you so blindly support a government that is making so many peoples lives worse?
So you might think yours is pretty good despise so many others saying theirs isn't. Does that mean they are all lying and nobody except you is able to show gratitude?
Or could you possibly accept yes life if pretty grim for a great number of people right now and non of the actions of your chosen party is helping to ease that?

JesusInTheCabbageVan · 05/07/2022 14:17

Provenceinthesummer · 05/07/2022 14:12

This is just a pathetic gov bashing thread, and it’s boring and not remotely attached to the real reasons we are in this position. Sad.

If it's boring you and making you sad, you can hide it.

everythingssogrey · 05/07/2022 14:19

itsgettingweird · 05/07/2022 13:58

But you would hope you have a government you could at least trust to tell the truth.

Not one who lockdown a country and has parties.

Not one who employs known employees who initiate inappropriate sexual behaviour.

Not one who's employees have affairs during a pandemic where their job is one of the most important.

Not one who have at least 5 MPs facing or having faced charges in a year mostly due to sexual related offences.

You can't stop the inevitable downfall of a country due to international situations.

But even in this case we have a government who one week made a 3 line whip against a windfall tax and the next decided to have a windfall tax and expected everyone to sing hallalluh to labours their great idea.

The whole issue is they don't know what telling the truth is and they think the electorate are too thick to notice.

Johnson isn't out for our country - he's out for himself and so we'll suffer more than we need to.

You could also hope for a unicorn to fly through your window and kiss you on the lips. You could hope for anything absurd but what good would it do you?

TooBigForMyBoots · 05/07/2022 14:24

You can't ignore the reason WHY we are in this position!!

The war in Ukraine is not the only reason the UK are doing so badly, and we are doing badly.😱

Austerity cut our public services to the bone. Leading to a lot of pissed off people, ripe to be manipulated into voting for Brexit. An economically damaging mess that created a toxic divide, gave us price rises, lack of goods and ballache for farmers, fishermen, small and medium size businesses and lots of other people.

Then Covid happened. To a much depleted and unready (due to Austerity) NHS. Following Covid we had inflation and staff shortages. Then came War in Ukraine, increasing inflation even further. Leading to public sector workers demanding Cost of Living pay rises as life has become unaffordable for many. This is because during Austerity their wages were hit so year on year lessened, in real terms.

If there is one reason for the UK being in an utter fucking state, it's the Conservative Government.

tobee · 05/07/2022 14:33

Provenceinthesummer · 05/07/2022 14:12

This is just a pathetic gov bashing thread, and it’s boring and not remotely attached to the real reasons we are in this position. Sad.

Don't read the thread then.

Anoooshka · 05/07/2022 14:50

Homegettinginvaded · 04/07/2022 18:33

A brilliant,factual comment!! Think some of their mates are on this thread !
@Georgeskitchen …my daughter is doing everything possible to improve her future with her child and is doing her MA to qualify as a SW ,unfortunately high rents and picky choosy landlords are making it impossible for her to live close to us to help with childcare!
The government could do a lot more to help her actually have a roof over her head
ie Cap on rents
Affordable housing everywhere
Sort out the ridiculous fuel prices,and so I could go on !
What do you suggest my daughter can do to continue with her ‘self improvement’ would really welcome your ideas !

This is interesting:

www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/quarter-tory-mps-are-private-landlords/

Anoooshka · 05/07/2022 14:51

Provenceinthesummer · 05/07/2022 14:12

This is just a pathetic gov bashing thread, and it’s boring and not remotely attached to the real reasons we are in this position. Sad.

What are the real reasons?

theyhavenothingbuttheaudacity · 05/07/2022 14:54

TooBigForMyBoots · 05/07/2022 14:24

You can't ignore the reason WHY we are in this position!!

The war in Ukraine is not the only reason the UK are doing so badly, and we are doing badly.😱

Austerity cut our public services to the bone. Leading to a lot of pissed off people, ripe to be manipulated into voting for Brexit. An economically damaging mess that created a toxic divide, gave us price rises, lack of goods and ballache for farmers, fishermen, small and medium size businesses and lots of other people.

Then Covid happened. To a much depleted and unready (due to Austerity) NHS. Following Covid we had inflation and staff shortages. Then came War in Ukraine, increasing inflation even further. Leading to public sector workers demanding Cost of Living pay rises as life has become unaffordable for many. This is because during Austerity their wages were hit so year on year lessened, in real terms.

If there is one reason for the UK being in an utter fucking state, it's the Conservative Government.

👏🏻 👏🏻 👏🏻

MercurialMonday · 05/07/2022 14:54

I agree TooBigForMyBoots I think Austerity did so much damage and some of that is coming home to roost now - everything since has just compounded it.

I do think BJ government is increasingly looking like incompetent liars - which isn't helping anything but think frankly any party put in power is going to be struggling with same issues. I don't think the current Welsh labour government is doing a great job either.

I remember being fed up with John Majors government as they increasingly seemed incompetent and more focused on infighting than governing - but then Tony Blair had Labour looking like a government in waiting - that's lacking this time but there will come a tipping point even so.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 05/07/2022 15:29

which isn't helping anything but think frankly any party put in power is going to be struggling with same issues

If Labour were in power we wouldn’t be struggling with austerity, and all the potential striking workers would have been paid a decent wage. I also think the minimum wage would be higher. I think they would also put in much more support for families struggling. Child benefit would probably be raised, child tax allowance raised, they would step in over fuel prices as on the continent.

So we’d still be struggling with Ukraine, but maybe not Brexit as they would never have instigated such a stupid event.

itsgettingweird · 05/07/2022 15:45

TooBigForMyBoots · 05/07/2022 14:24

You can't ignore the reason WHY we are in this position!!

The war in Ukraine is not the only reason the UK are doing so badly, and we are doing badly.😱

Austerity cut our public services to the bone. Leading to a lot of pissed off people, ripe to be manipulated into voting for Brexit. An economically damaging mess that created a toxic divide, gave us price rises, lack of goods and ballache for farmers, fishermen, small and medium size businesses and lots of other people.

Then Covid happened. To a much depleted and unready (due to Austerity) NHS. Following Covid we had inflation and staff shortages. Then came War in Ukraine, increasing inflation even further. Leading to public sector workers demanding Cost of Living pay rises as life has become unaffordable for many. This is because during Austerity their wages were hit so year on year lessened, in real terms.

If there is one reason for the UK being in an utter fucking state, it's the Conservative Government.

Fabulously spot on 👏👏👏👏

stayingpositiveifpossible · 05/07/2022 15:46

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 05/07/2022 10:09

Basically saying that the relevant industries needed a market for their products psychopharmaca etc. and therefore created the DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual) to classify perfectly normal human emotions (like grief) - in order that commercial treatments be applied more widely so that said industries could profit from it

Hiw is that relevant to this thread? And fwiw I’d be dead without anti depressants so they saved my life.

I'm grateful for my Educational Maintenance Allowance

This disappeared 10 years ago due to ‘austerity’

The title of this thread is:

'This government has completely trashed the nation's wellbeing'.

Read: 'Sedated. How Modern Capitalism Created our Mental Health Crisis' by James Davies.

Link here:

www.amazon.co.uk/Sedated-Modern-Capitalism-Created-Mental/dp/1786499843

Crikeyalmighty · 05/07/2022 16:11

@TooBigForMyBoots absolutely spot on- I'm in Palma at the moment on holiday - Spain had terrible covid issues, it does have inflation issues(still seems cheap to me but I'm not paying utilities etc) -and their is Ukraine too. It does not have anything like the underlying feeling of decay or boarded up retail or grubbiness that a lot of the UK has- nor did Denmark when we lived there till 2 months ago- only been back in uk 6 weeks and we've had a car window smash and grab in a NCP car park in an evening (and that's was in Richmond- not some hellhole) and a laptop stolen from a rucksack. I could eat my dinner off the street here in Palma. My 24 year old son has been unable to see anyone in mental health care team in north London to get his ADHD medecine adjusted for months - yes Brexit isn't responsible for everything but it sure as hell has not helped matters one bit , meaning we are struggling for workers in many sectors and now have tariffs on many inward goods and don't get me started about exporting-as I run a business that exports-- cutting red tape???? Are they having a bloody laugh there's 5 times the red tape- but those going along with it tend to fall into 2 categories, rich enough for it not to matter or those who have zero idea of how commerce works on an international level, so can't see why it matters as it doesn't affect their 20 hours a week working at the doctors surgery/tescos/council offices etc . These jobs matter a lot too, but don't pretend to suddenly be a world trade expert and go round calling us Remoaners.

Provenceinthesummer · 05/07/2022 16:16

Strange that Labour does NOT support the strkes of the ludricious demands for more money from very well Paid train drivers. And Labour representatives were instructed to stay away from pickets. A few die hards rocked up but most followed the party line.

Strange that Labour supported every motion over the pandemic and lockdown, economy and decisions made

Strange that Labour now support NOT rejoining the EU in any shape or form, and
understand the need to make the best of it.

The fact is something painful for you to acknowledge maybe that things would be largely EXACTLY the same under Labour - because they have supported and continue to support the same policies!!!!!!!!!!

You obviously literally have no idea what on earth you are talking about - uneducated and ill informed about basic policies 🫤

MercurialMonday · 05/07/2022 16:17

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 05/07/2022 15:29

which isn't helping anything but think frankly any party put in power is going to be struggling with same issues

If Labour were in power we wouldn’t be struggling with austerity, and all the potential striking workers would have been paid a decent wage. I also think the minimum wage would be higher. I think they would also put in much more support for families struggling. Child benefit would probably be raised, child tax allowance raised, they would step in over fuel prices as on the continent.

So we’d still be struggling with Ukraine, but maybe not Brexit as they would never have instigated such a stupid event.

I live under a UK Labour government that's been in power 20+ years - running NHS and Education - both have massive issues and on many measures are in a worse state the England's equivalent services.

As for brexit - I voted against it thought it would be a disaster - but it has happened and it's how we go forward that interests me now.

I do pay attention to what they say they'll do - not the probably and wishful thinking - I also remember austerity started with the collation government - so Liberal Democrat had a role as well.

I do listen and pay attention to all the main parties - and frankly I think I've never had such a poor choice such a lack of talent - that's not just the UK suffering with that lack either.

hellosunshineagainx · 05/07/2022 16:17

roarfeckingroarr · 04/07/2022 16:00

Why is it the government's job to fix everything?

Kinda what we pay them for, they're there to represent us

Crikeyalmighty · 05/07/2022 16:28

' Your anti government rhetoric is very transparent - most people are aware of the truth.' To quote @Provenceinthesummer

Indeed they are- which is why they just lost a whopping majority and seat in deepest Devon and a fair old majority and seat in more down to earth Wakefield.

The only reason the Tory's are in power is because of a lack of PR - (the only ones in Europe apart from Belarus). More people voted against than for them but the centre and left is a split vote , where almost all right of centre and far right people voted Tory due to Farage being 'asked nicely/bunged' to stop fielding candidates.

The only reason Brexit was a 52% majority in my personal opinion is plenty of under 40s didn't get off their arse , however the government did time it for the week Unis broke up and younger people were moving stuff to and fro and Glastonbury was on- quite a few younger people I know didnt vote too because it was 'advisory' and couldn't believe the Tory's would be daft enough to persist with it-clearly too young to know the Tory's style!!

The idea we are all a load of rabid lefties who have it in for Johnson is way off the mark. I despise the whole bunch in gvt at the moment- a load of self serving, corrupt opportunistic nasty pieces of work and some are none too bright either . Watch the Daily mail worm turn in next few weeks now Rothermere says he's had enough of them!!!

Lonelycrab · 05/07/2022 16:31

@TooBigForMyBoots nail on the head. Excellent post.

Crikeyalmighty · 05/07/2022 16:39

@Provenceinthesummer If that's aimed at me , I'm very well educated thanks, run a smallish business that is well known in Europe and has been successful there as well as the UK and I have a strong understanding of media, politics, logistics and import/export. You have no idea what labour plan on doing/intend to do- you only know what their PR tell the press and what Starmer says and he chooses his words carefully-do I think we will rejoin-no- I don't think they would have us without significant concessions on our part- do I think there would be some kind of Norway type arrangement called something else- I would bet good money on it. All rather pointless for 400 billion but there we are!!. I wouldn't give my policies away at this stage given the UK media- would you?? I would let the Tory's go on as they are and shoot themselves in the foot . Out of interest what do you personally do work wise? As you seem to be judging those of us battling on and telling it as it is , not just feeding the public bullshit.

everythingssogrey · 05/07/2022 16:54

Get on the housing list and get a permanent social home that offers total security.

Don't become a social worker.

sst1234 · 05/07/2022 16:57

Most people conveniently ignoring the impact of Covid lockdowns. Not Covid itself, but the lockdowns.

I wonder if the curtain twitchers who couldn’t enough of the lockdowns are now realising what long term damage this policy caused. In this forum alone, there wasn’t a day that went by when someone wasn’t moaning that the lockdowns were not tough enough. Well folks, locking up healthy people, printing money to pay for then sit to at home means the chicken are coming home to roost.

Crikeyalmighty · 05/07/2022 16:59

@sst1234 Maybe Sweden took the right stance and time is telling! Looked all good to me when I visited 2 months ago

the80sweregreat · 05/07/2022 17:03

You can't blame people for sticking to the lockdown rules ; the media did a good job of scaring everyone to comply to it at first. Especially Sky news.
What were people meant to do? Break the rules? Open up their shops and businesses and carry on? It's all very well people scoffing now about it , but blaming the people for doing their best isn't a good idea.

theyhavenothingbuttheaudacity · 05/07/2022 17:06

sst1234 · 05/07/2022 16:57

Most people conveniently ignoring the impact of Covid lockdowns. Not Covid itself, but the lockdowns.

I wonder if the curtain twitchers who couldn’t enough of the lockdowns are now realising what long term damage this policy caused. In this forum alone, there wasn’t a day that went by when someone wasn’t moaning that the lockdowns were not tough enough. Well folks, locking up healthy people, printing money to pay for then sit to at home means the chicken are coming home to roost.

Nope was just working with those imaginary sick people keep going on about. Some imaginary colleagues also died in this over the top lockdown...