To wonder what we do now that will be frowned upon in 30-40 years time

[Lunar27]

This video is a prime example of how attitudes change. It seems we go just go from stupid to stupid all the time.

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Another example is passive smoking. Obviously stupid and horrible to think we just smoked freely inside, thinking it was fine to breathe in smoke.

Fossil fueled cars will likely be the next as will idling cars outside of schools but I wonder what else we'll be scratching our heads over in future.

I can't think of anything 30-40 years ago that was absolutely fine then but entirely unacceptable now.
Marital rape – only made illegal 30 years ago. Section 28 only repealed in 2000 in Scotland and 2003 in England and Wales.

Letting men into women's spaces.

kids and mobile phones and social media

loads of internet related things - the internet hopefully won’t always be such a lawless place

Because its already started. I'm vegan (for health, not as a crusade, and I couldn't care less what anyone else eats) and whenever people find out they are at pains to tell me how little meat they eat, and how they know its awful. It's not coming from me, I'm quite honest that 2 years I ago and for the previous 50 I ate meat, and if I feel like it, I would again. Its them. They're embarrassed, in the same way as a smoker might tell you they only smoke a couple and know they shouldn't. There's a bit of a generational and education divide to it, with younger academic people more likely to think meat eating is 'bad', but I think that group led the way with smoking and environmental changes too, so I'm watching with interest.

But people already pick up dog shit.
I see loads of dogs but never any dog shit.

Facebook became really popular around 2007. I fully expect after 2025 lots of cases from 18 year olds who are suing their parents for sharing photos of them as children.

Because its already started.

Cutting down, yes. Cutting out is not so common.

whenever people find out they are at pains to tell me how little meat they eat

I work in consumer research. The say/do gap here is massive. There's a huge amount of virtue signalling.

Yes definitely this!

Not at all. I actually worked while mine were little. It was a mistake

Yes projection. You feel it was a mistake. That doesn't mean it was or the majority feel the same as you.

No one is compelled to put their child into nursery now, so all you're hoping for is for everyone to start agreeing with your world view 😂

Everyone owning a car

I agree about the say/do gap, but that's my point really. That people are feeling the need to say it. Its indicative of a change in attitude. The thread asked for what will be frowned upon, and obviously if people are feeling the need to qualify/defend/minimise/excuse their meat consumption, they are obviously aware that its becoming that way. There always a lag between people feeling behaviour they want to indulge in is 'wrong' and stopping it. Its a slow process, but I think that's the direction it's going.

I agree about the say/do gap, but that's my point really. That people are feeling the need to say it. Its indicative of a change in attitude

But not a change in behaviour.

The thread asked for what will be frowned upon, and obviously if people are feeling the need to qualify/defend/minimise/excuse their meat consumption, they are obviously aware that its becoming that way

Honestly, I think it's just trendy. Like Amanda from motherland saying she's practically vegan and it's total horseshit, but it's the type of thing people say on Instagram.

We're still a million miles away from it being socially unacceptable to eat meat in practice and given it's been part of our culture since the dawn of time I don't think we'll ever get there.

We will, however, see cutting down, hopefully higher welfare standards and possible some lab grown meat in the near future. But I cannot see it going entirely, ever.

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I’d forgotten about that film - thanks for the reminder.

Because its already started. I'm vegan (for health, not as a crusade, and I couldn't care less what anyone else eats) and whenever people find out they are at pains to tell me how little meat they eat, and how they know its awful. It's not coming from me, I'm quite honest that 2 years I ago and for the previous 50 I ate meat, and if I feel like it, I would again. Its them. They're embarrassed, in the same way as a smoker might tell you they only smoke a couple and know they shouldn't. There's a bit of a generational and education divide to it, with younger academic people more likely to think meat eating is 'bad', but I think that group led the way with smoking and environmental changes too, so I'm watching with interest.

I'm in my 60s, and there were people who didn't eat meat when I was young, so it actually started a long time ago. That's beside the point however, you may find people telling you how little meat they eat, but I don't recall anyone ever telling me. I'm not in the UK, but live in a country where agriculture features more heavily and I can assure you that young people here are still going into farming in their droves, so I really don't see things changing too much, certainly not within 30 - 40 years.

Things I think will be frowned upon in 30-40 years:

• fireworks. I think we won’t be able to buy them for personal use. We will have to go to organised events where we will be having drone light shows.


• Excessive alcohol drinking. Young people already drink less


• brexit. The youth of today will vote to rejoin the EU.


• working in an office five days a week. I think we will only work 4 days and will work from home much more. People will be shocked why we all rushed to sit in a central office by 9am and gave up 2 hours a day to commuting. This will mainly be for environmental reasons and work life balance. The same way we are shocked that we worked 6 days a week in the past.


• phone use. We will look back on how destructive social media was and how we are so addicted to our phones.


• using petrol or diesel cars. In 30-40 years public transport will be more widespread so they will wonder why we had multiple cars that weren’t electric.


• eating meat. I think people will still est meat but it will be more ethical meat or tastes like meat products.


• single use plastics. This is already starting to happen


• sharing photos of babies and children on social media.


• exams. The youth of today will wonder why we kept a system of a grade which comes down to one test on one day. We will move to a more coursework and regular monitoring to give a grade.


• heating our homes with gas.


• i think the idea of gender will change such as we won’t have separate toilets for men and women.

i do think some users are listing off things that they want to change which isn’t really the question. The question is what will we look back and people will frown upon which is normal behaviour today.

Porn - hopefully less of it, maybe have places you go to watch it like brothels where you went for sex in the past .....or at least restrict it for children.

Social media - people would spend hours of their day glued to eg tiktok nonsense hahahahaha - now (future) we spend our time volunteering our spare time to help those less fortunate, developing our artistic and craft skills, studying nature etc and are happier and fulfilled.

Farming is bad? How do you propose we produce food? Should we all be hunter-gatherers now, Father?

Meat seems to be a definite by consensus. Humans have been eating meat for 2.6 million years, and consumed large animal bone marrow for a good while longer. I wonder what the effects of a change in just 40 years would be?

40 years is not enough to implement many of these changes. 100 years+ for some, perhaps.

Anything to do with affluence.

Climate change will bite and make living standards drop. We're only just seeing the start of it.

Do you eat meat yourself though? As if you do people probably see that differently in the same way smokers don't feel the need to excuse their smoking to others who smoke.
Also, I'm talking about young people in the UK, and not those going into farming, as clearly they wouldn't be the demographic that objected to consuming animal products.
There were of course people who didn't eat meat when I was young, but far fewer. And certainly there wasn't the push to get on board with it we've seen in the last years, with Veganuary and McPlant burgers. If global businesses like McDonald's and major supermarkets are incorporating it into their business strategies I think its a clear indication we're in a different place than we were in previous decades. It could of course be a fad, but for many, including myself, I've seen huge health benefits, so who knows.

Eating meat is barbaric and positively Medieval. It’s not far off cannibalism.
Eating, blood, lining, skin and muscle of dead carcasses IS revolting. People try to shield themselves from the stark realty and truth but that is changing. Even in France
People will look back at the world today actually eating flesh and tissue of dead animals and be properly and rightly horrified.

And no I haven’t eaten meat in 33 years and never will. Ever.

People will look back at the world today actually eating flesh and tissue of dead animals and be properly and rightly horrified.

Well they'll have millions of years of meat consumption to look back on, so I guess that will keep them busy.

If mumsnet still exists in 30 to 40 years time, I hope they retrieve this thread and people will be able to see if what they predicted became true