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To have swapped the swede?

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Swedesareneeps · 27/06/2022 09:55

DS has ASD and I screwed his noodle this morning by not having available for his lunchbox The Correct Midmorning School Snack of a lump of raw swede.

So on the way home from school I stopped in at the poncy local shop and bought the only swede they had. It cost £1.05, which seemed a lot for food you usually feed to sheep, but autism I love him. Especially seeing as it had a very small crossection cut off the side (50p size) and the start of a brown bit within that, that would need to be cut off before DS would see it.

I'd also failed to buy DH's preferred cereal option but poncy local shop didn't have it so I took a long cut home to stop in Sainsbury's local to see if they had it, because I love him too (and as we all know true love is varyingly oral sex or buying preferred cereal - I'll leave it to you which leaves a better taste in your mouth). They had a better selection of Swedes at a slightly more reasonable 80p.

Would I have been unreasonable to have swapped my £1.05 swede for another at 80p? It wasn't any bigger but maybe a little better.

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HaveringWavering · 27/06/2022 14:02

HaveringWavering · 27/06/2022 14:00

Are you following me now @CandyLeBonBon ? My point is that the vegetables are called different things in different English speaking countries so you can’t possibly state “Swedes and turnips are not the same” without saying in which country.

Sorry I cross posted this with your “bill to die on” post @CandyLeBonBon . I’ll leave it now Grin.

And I agree mashed turnip (bright orange-coloured) is delicious and very underrated, especially with a generous amount of butter and black pepper.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 27/06/2022 14:05

Swedesareneeps · 27/06/2022 12:39

Shredded wheat. Breakfast for people who don't understand pleasure. Would rather eat the swede.

I was 100% with you until you said this, @Swedesareneeps. Shredded wheat is delicious - although it does need sugar on it, which slightly dents its healthy credentials.

TenRedThings · 27/06/2022 14:12

If indeed the Op swapped the Swedes then she swapped a more expensive item for a cheaper one so If you put degree of Swede mankyness aside, I'm not sure that constitutes theft !

ChiefWiggumsBoy · 27/06/2022 14:13

Was it swedes the Little House on the Prairie folk used to eat, cut into quarters and sprinkled with salt? It always intrigued me - although not enough to actually try it, mind.

I am not Scottish btw and will call it whatever the shop calls it.

I'm not sure I could be as brazen to swap it OP, but meh, can't get worked up about it. No one loses. Apart from the Weetabix eater coz that stuff naaasty.

Pluvia · 27/06/2022 14:15

Oh, I would, OP. Sainsbury's can take it.

I like your style. You need a weekly column.

erinaceus · 27/06/2022 14:16

Swedesareneeps · 27/06/2022 12:37

But if there is another swede in the shop, the shop has the same number of Swedes as it started with, so will sell them for the same amount of money, so it isn't being deprived of anything? How can there be theft without deprivation?

The deprivation arises from the different qualities of the two swedes. If the swede you had in your hand swede is inferior to the swede in the supermarket you intended to swap it for, they you are depriving the supermarket of its quality swede and not paying for it. If you leave an inferior swede in the supermarket it might not sell, and you are depriving the supermarket of a potential sale.

Hoppinggreen · 27/06/2022 14:17

By the "this wasnt theft" logic I can therefore go into Sainsburys and pick anything up off a shelf and place the cost of it in its place and walk out with the item then.

BattenbergdowntheHatches · 27/06/2022 14:20

I just want to know what witchcraft you use to get your autistic son to eat a vegetable.

<fills Sainsbos basket with 25 types of potato crisp>

DramaAlpaca · 27/06/2022 14:23

What a delightfully bonkers thread Grin

Pluvia · 27/06/2022 14:23

Hoppinggreen · 27/06/2022 14:17

By the "this wasnt theft" logic I can therefore go into Sainsburys and pick anything up off a shelf and place the cost of it in its place and walk out with the item then.

I think that's commonly called 'buying', isn't it? When you exchange money to the value of the cost of something for an item. Not theft.

She entered Sainsbury's with a swede. She left with a swede. Shrug.

LarkspurLane · 27/06/2022 14:25

erinaceus · 27/06/2022 14:16

The deprivation arises from the different qualities of the two swedes. If the swede you had in your hand swede is inferior to the swede in the supermarket you intended to swap it for, they you are depriving the supermarket of its quality swede and not paying for it. If you leave an inferior swede in the supermarket it might not sell, and you are depriving the supermarket of a potential sale.

If this is the problem, that perhaps the swede is inferior and might not sell, could the OP have left another piece of goods bought for £1.05, that definitely would sell, say a four pack of Mars Bars (bought on offer from Co-op)? Would this then not be theft?

CheeseCakeSunflowers · 27/06/2022 14:26

Swedesareneeps · 27/06/2022 12:31

I'm intrigued as to where the horsey people come into this. I assure you DS is entirely human. Stubborn as a mule, mind you.

As I mentioned earlier, I mis-read poncy shop as pony shop. I thought you had popped into a shop that sold animal feed. I will now creep into a corner and hide.

howdoesatoastermaketoast · 27/06/2022 14:27

SlagathaChristie · 27/06/2022 10:00

Do you mean swap Shop A's swede for Shop B's swede, leaving the impostor swede in the other Shop? Please don't do that. It's....non-consensual bartering. If the shop gets a complaint about your changeling swede, it's extra work or possible tellings-off for their staff. You keep your shame-swede to yourself, Madam, but good luck on your cereal hunt.

I love the term non-consensual bartering

Hoppinggreen · 27/06/2022 14:27

Pluvia · 27/06/2022 14:23

I think that's commonly called 'buying', isn't it? When you exchange money to the value of the cost of something for an item. Not theft.

She entered Sainsbury's with a swede. She left with a swede. Shrug.

No, its called stealing . If you go to the checkout and exchange money for the item its buying.
Taking an item without permission is stealing, even if you leave something you believe to be of equivalent of a higher value unless it has been agreed by all parties

ancientgran · 27/06/2022 14:27

I'd be worried someone would see me popping swede in my bag and think I was shoplifting. I don't think you should anyway but definitely not worth getting arrested for.

Cherrysoup · 27/06/2022 14:31

Surely the barcodes on the swapped swede wont match? Where I’m from, purple things are turnips, my DH disagrees. My horse would not eat swede/turnip. Awkward git.

HaveringWavering · 27/06/2022 14:31

How would you feel if you were Sainsbury’s and a customer complained that the Swede they had bought form you was sub-standard?
“But Madam, we take the greatest care to select only the finest organic Swedes and we have trained our shelf stackers to reject anything that does not meet our high standards. We don’t know how this can have happened”.

I’m joking, obviously- clearly Rochelle in customer services would just shove 80p refund across the counter and that would be the end of the matter, but the point is that shops are responsible for the quality of what they sell so customers can’t just swap stuff for their own. On a more serious note, what if someone swapped a food item for an identical-looking but contaminated one?

Pluvia · 27/06/2022 14:33

erinaceus · 27/06/2022 14:16

The deprivation arises from the different qualities of the two swedes. If the swede you had in your hand swede is inferior to the swede in the supermarket you intended to swap it for, they you are depriving the supermarket of its quality swede and not paying for it. If you leave an inferior swede in the supermarket it might not sell, and you are depriving the supermarket of a potential sale.

So if I were to go to Sainsbury's and put a foil-topped pot of yoghurt in my basket, and then accidentally poke a small hole in the top with the pointy packet of ham I placed recklessly beside it, would I be stealing when I hoick out the perforated pot of yoghurt and replace it with a pristine container?

If so, surely we need to go back to the good old days of standing behind a counter and pointing at goods and an assistant adding them to our bill before handing them to us.

Pluvia · 27/06/2022 14:35

Cherrysoup · 27/06/2022 14:31

Surely the barcodes on the swapped swede wont match? Where I’m from, purple things are turnips, my DH disagrees. My horse would not eat swede/turnip. Awkward git.

You can peel off the bar code and swap it. God, amateurs...

HaveringWavering · 27/06/2022 14:37

Pluvia · 27/06/2022 14:33

So if I were to go to Sainsbury's and put a foil-topped pot of yoghurt in my basket, and then accidentally poke a small hole in the top with the pointy packet of ham I placed recklessly beside it, would I be stealing when I hoick out the perforated pot of yoghurt and replace it with a pristine container?

If so, surely we need to go back to the good old days of standing behind a counter and pointing at goods and an assistant adding them to our bill before handing them to us.

No stealing there because the one you damaged was still owned by the shop when you put it in your basket. Technically you are depriving the shop of income because the broken one can’t be sold, but supermarkets allow for wastage. If you knock a bottle of wine off the shelf and it breaks they don’t make you pay for it. Same principle.

Pluvia · 27/06/2022 14:38

Hoppinggreen · 27/06/2022 14:27

No, its called stealing . If you go to the checkout and exchange money for the item its buying.
Taking an item without permission is stealing, even if you leave something you believe to be of equivalent of a higher value unless it has been agreed by all parties

The fact that you left money indicates a commitment to not stealing, surely? If you wanted to steal it, why leave money?

Hoppinggreen · 27/06/2022 14:38

Pluvia · 27/06/2022 14:33

So if I were to go to Sainsbury's and put a foil-topped pot of yoghurt in my basket, and then accidentally poke a small hole in the top with the pointy packet of ham I placed recklessly beside it, would I be stealing when I hoick out the perforated pot of yoghurt and replace it with a pristine container?

If so, surely we need to go back to the good old days of standing behind a counter and pointing at goods and an assistant adding them to our bill before handing them to us.

No, but IF you found your lunchtime yoghurt you had brought from home had a hole in the foil and you took it into Sainsburys and swapped it for one that was pristine then thats theft.

I am well aware that this is getting ridiculous now but I have nothing better to do just at the moment as I am waiting for someone to send me something to approve before I can finish work

Pluvia · 27/06/2022 14:49

I do have better things to do, so I have to go. We can try arguing about angels on a pinhead some other time. Did we ever learn when the OP had swapped it or not?

mouse70 · 27/06/2022 14:51

One of my childhood memories was being given the top of the swede (orange in colour) that mum had cut off when removing the skin prior to making soup and using a spoon to scrape out the flesh to eat raw. It was lovely. Just saying raw swede is good to eat!

Tryingtokeepgoing · 27/06/2022 14:53

SkyDragon · 27/06/2022 11:38

Anyone who thinks swapping the swede counts as 'stealing' needs to get over themselves...

Or, to take another point of view, anyone who swaps produce grown for animal consumption for that grown for human consumption, where the rules / regs about fertiliser/chemicals/treatment and hygiene are wildly different is potentially putting people at risk, which doesn’t seem particularly sensible…

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