To ask you not to tolerate the term "pregnant people"

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It might seem harmless and kind but it is not harmless. I'm seeing the term alot at the moment due to the horrid state of affairs across the pond.

Pregnancy, abortion, menstruation, menopause. These are issues that affect women and reasons why men have sought to control us, to control our bodies. We are seen as vessels, chattels, playthings, property, servants, and then, when we can no longer get pregnant, as useless rubbish. All due to our biological function. If you tolerate language change so these things are seen as 'people' rights issues that affect both 'men' and women we lose the truthful and valid argument that bad and oppressive practices, laws, policy decisions etc, e.g. banning of abortion, are rooted in misogyny, which of course they are.

Abortion bans are because of misogyny. Especially in countries where there is no free maternal care, no statutory maternity leave or pay, no shits given about the children once they are born. This is a women's rights issue, a sex based one. And we, as a sex class, must never take any rights we have for granted.

So, if women are to be called "pregnant people" because it is more inclusive, are we supposed to refer to transmen and transwomen as just "people" too as it's more inclusive as in "peoples rights are human rights"? It's really confusing.

I just find it natural to say people sometimes. It’s not because I’m confused about biology.

It's kind of bizarre to find 'pregnant people' a natural term when 'pregnant woman' is so much more established in our language.

And honestly, maybe you should think about how it reflects on your biological understanding and what people might conclude. Accurate language matters.

Some older people may find it natural to refer to any teen male as “boy” too, but that doesn’t stop it being offensive to a subset of them.

When the phrase is being used to deliberately undermine and erode women’s rights maybe it’s worth trying to avoid its use.

There's nothing natural about "pregnant people". It's an absolute contrivance.

I think bizarre is a strong word for it but we can agree to disagree.

I wish people would stop saying this. It may not be the intention, but it's increasingly coming across as an attempt to shut people down.

Nobody has agreed anything with you so you shouldn't assume that they do.

so trans women are women and trans men are men but women are ‘people’ 🙄

Correct. Also, nobody knows what a woman is, but we know trans women are women.

If the purpose of this campaign is to wear down our IQs by a few points each time we have to engage with this inanity, then I daresay they might actually win.

The oppressive right has already won by turning THIS into the hot-button issue of the day. We're going to wear ourselves out shouting "all genders need abortion care" and "only women can get pregnant" at each other while they rub their hands and roll back our bodily autonomy.

Same.

The physical realities of trying and getting pregnant, being pregnant and giving birth are all ok, but using the terms 'breastfeeding' and 'mother' are too triggering?

Yes as a wise woman on Twitter says

Removing women's ability to describe themselves as a group is the ultimate act of male oppression.

“The right” had nothing to do with this until some people on the left eroded women’s rights so severely that they had no option other than to get involved.

Trans activism is a wholly left-led phenomenon.

12% have voted YABU

Those who voted YABU, id love to know what the fuck you are on - care to share??

Because when I was pregnant I didn't give a fuck if someone referred to me as a pregnant person

You don't care
Millions others do but as long as you are happy that's fine then

Perhaps you'd give a fuck when language removing the affected class of people allows complication and fatality rates ro be brought to more " acceptable levels" and therfore not investigated , but allowing the inclusion of people it doesn't affect and still technically be truthful.

If 3 out of 5 women suffered injury as a result of medical negligence but they change women to people and then able to include men in the statistic you could reduce that to 3 in ten people and all of a sudden its not so bad.

Because when I was pregnant I didn't give a fuck if someone referred to me as a pregnant person

Do you care about the erosion of women's spaces and women's sec specific sports? It's all part of the same agenda.

Doesn't help trans men either. If 2 trans men had birth injuries but they treated 100 men that day then 2 adverse affects out of 100 wouldn't raise a flag.

Even if the real statsitic was 100 percent r of the transmen treated at X hospital ended up injured giving birth.

This. How come transwomen are referred to as women but women are cervix havers or womb carriers? Why are men never referred to as prostrate havers or penis carriers? Why is it always women’s language that is changed for demeaning terms? And when we get upset about it we’re told to shut up and be kind. I’m very over being kind

For multiple reasons, language matters.

I really wish people would start engaging their brain on this one.

What about if someone called you a birthing body or a womb carrier, would you have minded that…?

While I think it's a silly expression, I think focussing on this is rather missing the point. The authoritarian misogynists, from the Taliban to the Trumpsters, are not seeking to blur the distinction between the sexes, but to emphasize it. With some exceptions, most women's rights issues are not about sex-based rights but about preventing sex-based exclusion from human rights. The problem isn't mostly that we're not regarded as women, but that we're not regarded completely as people. And if born-males COULD get pregnant, then abortion would be unrestricted!

The authoritarian misogynists, from the Taliban to the Trumpsters, are not seeking to blur the distinction between the sexes, but to emphasize it.

Yes, of course.

That's why it's so dangerous and infuriating when the people who are supposed to be opposing them claim not to be able to recognise, define and name the people the Taliban and Trumpsters are oppressing.

Oppressors of women know damn well what a woman is. When everyone else is determined to keep up the pretence that they don't, and water down the definition until it's totally meaningless...

Exactly. You can’t fight for what you can’t define

I'll accept exactly what terms I choose, thank you.
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