To agree with the Supreme Court's decision to overturn Roe v Wade?

[thereareotherways]

Obviously I can predict the voting already! Ha.

TL;DR (at the top!): I support abortion but think Roe v Wade (and later cases) are not legally sound, and there are better ways to secure women's rights that would have more public support.

I'm personally not opposed to abortion in most real-life circumstances. I think after viability I would prefer other options to be explored, but I think most women having later-term abortions are doing it for serious medical reasons and I don't think that should be prosecuted. That said, I also am okay in principle with regulating abortion and I'm not an absolutist re: women's control: I think the fetus/baby does have some rights (which I weight proportionally more as the baby grows).

As I understand it, Roe v Wade and Casey rely on a right to "liberty" in the US constitution (primarily the 14th amendment), which otherwise doesn't mention abortion. I'm not a lawyer at all, I find this tenuous at best. Liberty has always had implied limits based on what's acceptable in society, and abortion was illegal until fairly recently. I don't think there's any justification for claiming that there's an implied consent of the people that abortion is morally acceptable - and the polarisation of the US on this issue reflects that.

I think the decision in Roe/Casey to impose abortion via activist judges was a poor decision both legally and politically. This is a clear case where elected representatives need to pass legislation that reflects their constituents' positions. If that legislation differs from state-to-state, well, that's the whole point of a federal system. Pro-choice candidates need to get elected in red states and then they will have the actual consent of the people, not tenuous implied consent.

The decision in Dobbs is here and good reading: www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/19-1392_6j37.pdf

I also have a faint hope that now that this has been overturned, both Republicans and Democrats might now return their focus to legislation instead of Supreme Court nominees. The power of the Supreme Court is too dominating in US politics: we should be pleased to see them ceding some power back to the legislature, i.e., the people's representatives!

I as a woman have a right to choose if I want an abortion, it does not matter if I am 12 or 46, whether I have been raped, forgotten my pill, I already have children, if I do not, if I am rich or poor or because the foetus has abnormalities. I should have the right to choose. End off.

I have no respect what so ever for women who are not feminists. You are either for the right to abortion or you are not a feminist.

Aren't Supreme Court judges (where this was decided) judges for life, with very few opportunities to change the political make up of the SC. The US people can't just vote in new judges to change decisions like this.

It's a deep flaw in the US government that the law is as political as it is. The Us is positively archaic.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong about this.

Yep. I, as a woman, have the right to decide what I want for my body. Including an abortion.

It is horrifying. How much further do some of these people want to go ...women not allowed to use their voice at protests? Women not allowed to attend protests? I think it is a slippery slope and the women celebrating today have no clue.

The people are in control when it comes to who sits in the state house and senate.

well what with gerrymandering and all, that is a bit of a naive statement. But in any case there will be no change in any state legislature until at least November. just suck it up till then if you are a pregnant woman?? unfortunately pregnancy or infection following an incomplete miscarriage or death from ectopic pregnancy or the trauma of being pregnant with a rapist's child really don't pause waiting for the election results to come in.

I am on the fence about this.

I’m not happy with this decision and I am in no doubt that the impact on women is not going to be good.

Having said that, if we leave aside how I feel about abortion rights and just look at the legal basis for Roe, I’m not sure this decision is bad law, even though I am sure that it will result in bad policy.

Thats a long-winded way of saying that as much as I agree with the impact of Roe, I’ve never really be convinced by the legal reasoning underpinning it.

Abortion is a devolved issue in the U.K. (at least for NI and Scotland).The real problem in the US is the elected representatives in certain states, rather than the idea of abortion policy being set at sub-national level.

Forefathers, seriously, you somehow think that men are entirely responsible for any laws that do allow for abortion and women have nothing to do with them.

I'm grateful to any foremothers, and forewomen who did fight for our right to choose

As a woman of reproductive age, living on an island where abortion is illegal, our nearest city to procure one is Miami.
Pretty soon, Florida will no longer be an option, and I've no idea where the closest state is that would be at this point.

And whilst this might be scary for me as a married woman with the financial resources to fly to wherever I want should the need arise, it does not bear thinking about for the many women, young and old on island who do not have that luxury.

A disgusting turn of events for all women in this part of the world.

If it wasn't for the fact that the exact same people are adamant that fully born, living children and adults are just collateral damage in the determination that guns are a right, then I'd give a little more faith in the whole pro life movement. If abortion is murder, why don't they give a damn about actual murder of 20,000 people? They literally don't care about life.

Abortion has been used as a form of birth control for too long. Abortions were carried out because it was an inconvenience for women to have a child.

It is MY right to terminate a pregnancy for WHATEVER REASON I CHOOSE!

It's far more fucking inconvenient to have a baby when not emotionally, physically or financially ready wouldn't you think? Or are you going to help lend a hand with all these babies you think should be birthed?

Or should we track down the errant fathers and force them to take sole custody at birth?

You gonna adopt all the babies that the parents can't care for?

You gonna pay for, raise and cover all medical bills for the baby born to a 12 year old girl who was raped?

You gonna pay for the therapy for the adults who were born to people that didn't want them? That were then raised in far less than ideal standards?

You gonna pay for the medical care of these pregnant women?

As has been stated, abortion hasn't been banned. Safe abortion has.

Women will die over this. Not just in single digits. Easily in the thousands.

Your thought process is evil.

@LosDolses
Do you really think that every contraceptive method is 100% reliable? Have you really never heard of rape?

@LosDolses hahahahaha now I know you're a bottom feeding troll.

*just don't get pregnant" - as if you're going to lay that excuse at the door of rape victims? Abuse victims? Would be mothers pregnant with a fetus incompatible with life?

I've never had to have a termination, but I will defend the right to safe and secure healthcare for any woman who so chooses it.

Crawl back under your bridge.

They are talking about banning abortions for ectopic pregnancies, the number one cause of maternal death in the first trimester and always resulting in a 100% unviable foetus.

Unless you can educate yourself out of having an ectopic pregnancy this change in legislation will literally kill women who have no way to avoid it unless they choose to never have a family.

Choose to get pregnant and maybe die a preventable death, or choose not to get pregnant and hope your contraception never fails.

Unless you’re offering to adopt all these babies otherwise being apparently (if mythically) aborted at 37 weeks for no reason, then keep your fucking nose out of the decisions other women make about their bodies.

I don't think I've felt so disgusted by an OP in a long time.

Sickening.

@LosDolses wow - you are so naive. Abortion isn't used as birth control. Why the fuck would you go through ripping pain, bleeding for weeks (pill), or an actual operation to scrape away your innards in preference to taking contraception or insist on a condom which are relatively, the easy option. Not to mention the guilt that you feel for having an abortion. It is not the easy choice even if you make that choice easily. Add on to that the early pregnancy symptoms and nausea you have to suffer for weeks. You are out of your brainwashed mind if you think that it's a way to freely have sex whenever because abortion is an easy option.
And then you compare women to Hitler. Wow.
Most women have abortions because contraception has failed, many women have completed their families or in a situation where bringing a baby into their lives is detrimental. Few have late term abortions and certainly fewer do it as flippantly as you suggest.

This. You can argue the nuance of how the law came to exist all you want, but repealing this specific law, here, today, will undoubtedly kill people.

It doesn't matter if you think there should be a term limit later on, it doesn't matter if you think they should change the legislative framework, it doesn't matter. What matters is that the legal framework women in the US did have until today (in most states) was the ability to get an abortion. And now lots and lots and lots of them don't have that ability any more, and some of them will die.

So fuck the twiddling about specifics - abortion is healthcare and should be enshrined in law at the national level.

The US Constitution does not mention abortion so why should a nationwide Supreme Court decision decide for the entire nation what the rules should be, when there is an existing framework (elected representatives who make legislation) that they could use?

Hmmmm the lovely american constitution written when exactly??? Imagine being beholden to rules written in 1788!!!!!!!
Just quick note this great piece of paper as well as not meantioning abortion also doesnt meantion women!!!

Why the F have you posted this? What's wrong with you?

The US Constitution does not mention abortion

It doesn't mention assault weapons either, don't forget.

The US Constitution does not mention driving cars, drunk-driving or age when someone can drink alcohol -- yet there are federal laws about those things !!