Public sector pay rise demands unreasonable?

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I’m a nurse and outraged that we’ll only be getting (most likely) a 3% wage increase. I’m fully in favour of a strike action. But I’ve also just read that the junior doctors are planning a strike if they aren’t awarded a 22% increase 😮

We have all been losing wages year on year but 22% seems unrealistic. AIBU or have they got brilliant bargaining tactics?

I pay my staff pensions, yes, from my 'own' money. If you are all about sharing the distribution of wealth, fancy make a small contribution from your salary each month to fund private sector pensions.

Becauase, that is exactly what you are asking us to do, and can not see the wrong in it.

What gets me, is the refusal of the public sector to recognize that they are paid for by the rest of us. And that we are NOT a money tree!

Demands of above inflation rises or strike will further damage everyone

That’s already happened due to demands in the pandemic, we don’t need it again.

Let's get the facts shall we...
Since September 2019, the Employer contribution rate is 23.68%, into teachers pensions.
Htf is that not a good pension? That is, on ave84 times the contributions of the best private sector employers contributions and 8 times the average employer contribution!

Start acknowledging the perks of your job! The pension still is a perk.

Quite! I worked as a Visiting Lecturer in FE for 6 years. I was paid agency wages. No big pension scheme for me, just the NEST scheme. 21/25 quid an hour I was on for teaching. I thought that was OK. I got by, paid my mortgage and other bills. All the time I heard complaints from permanent staff who had been there for years. Always moaning, never doing anything about it because they had robust salary packages.

@fromdownwest

Technically I am paying their pension.

Without my use of the business, no profit.

You're blinkered adoration of the private sector means you're ignoring that it only exists because normal people work in it and create revenue for it.

There are no profits for the owners and ceos to horde without the input of everyone else.

That wealth is generated by all, so should be shared by all.

The tax payers shores up private sector low wages and pensions all the time.

I'm working to pay taxes to pay pension to people who have worked their whole lives in the private sector. Whose employers didn't give a tiny shit about their pensions or wages.

Only how much they could keep for themselves

Whether ft or not, that is a very good salary! You're still earning significantly above nmw and only working for 2 days!

Interesting that this cannot be appreciated. Perhaps swapping to a nmw job would help?

Without my use of the business, no profit.

don’t buy from them? It’s a free market you are not obliged.

If a business doesn’t offer something people want it won’t survive

Socialism at its finest, tinged with hypocrisy.

@fromdownwest

I'm confused by your post.

Do you want to scrap all public services?

Inaccurate figures as the ONS states that as of April 2021 91% of public workers have pensions compared to 75% of private sector.

@MamanDeChoix

Don't use public services if you grudge paying taxes towards them so much?

@MamanDeChoix

The workplace pension participation rate in the UK was at 79% (22.6 million employees) in April 2021, up slightly from 78% in 2020; a growth partly explained by increased public sector employment driven by the government's response to the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic.20 Apr 2022 ONS

Over paid needs to be qualified. Pay is dictated by education, responsibility level and accountability level. Which jobs are over paid? What’s your bench mark for this? Who are you comparing them to?

As I have pointed out before, comparing the pay of a policeman to someone who does admin is not a fair comparison.

Who do you think is over paid in public service? Be specific. Or are you just trotting out thought stopping cliches?

What a ridiculous comment.

Whether a tax payer wants to or not, they are forced to contribute to these costs.

That doesn't mean that recipients should have a golden spoon for pay increases.

And should at least acknowledge the perks of their tax funded pay packet and pensions.

I have already pointed out overpaid on here in my pp about support staff in education. I Wonder how many vehemently arguing the opposite point will admit to being Labour. In fact, this thread is very quiet and absent of the usual raging Labourites always pissed off at the Tories.

@MamanDeChoix

Yeah cause saying don't buy from the private sector is completely sensible.

Which public sector supermarkets are there? Or fuel companies?

Will the govt be buying over clothes shops?

Internet providers?

And the next bullet point clearly states that public sector workers are the most benefitting individuals doesn't it!

In April 2021, the gap in employee workplace pension participation rates between the public (91%) and private sectors (75%) was among its lowest levels, mainly driven by increased participation in the private sector up from 32% in 2012

@MamanDeChoix

And no.

I absolutely do not acknowledge that pay packet is a perk.

Its not. I'm massively under paid for what I do. Even of I wasn't it still wouldnt be a perk. It would be a wage

@MamanDeChoix

Yes, sorry, I misread the first but as being public sector workers not just workplace in total

This attitude is what is most frustrating about this thread. The poster is a highly skilled teacher with a high level of qualifications and responsibility to match. The pay should reflect this, she should not be told to be grateful she is earning more than nmw.

I have no doubt @MamanDeChoix will be first in line complaining when her child's teacher is not suitably qualified to deal with the class because all the experienced ones have left for private sector/other roles due to poor working conditions. Likewise with the nurse/doctor caring for her....

@prescribingmum

Probably not.

It would seem most posters would prefer everything was privately owned generating lots of profits for only a select few

My friends husband has a good job (not in the public sector) but hasn't had a pay rise for 11 years!

I’d prefer we didn’t get impacted again after similar during the pandemic, now with strike action

Above inflation rises and strikes will make it worse across the board, the top few will have options most won’t

Do you k ow anything about how much support staff in education are paid? Where is this assertion coming from that they are overpaid?