To think wealthy people will leave Scotland?

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..if the YES side win a referendum? Surely a lot of successful businesses and people who are wealthy/ comfortable/ have paid into a pension will not want to risk all their assets becoming worthless? Or am I missing something? Higher taxes, unknown currency, economic uncertainty, hard border, national security concerns etc

It would cost BILLIONS to set up new Government bodies (eg DVLA, Passport office, MI5, MI6, Amy Navy, RAF to name a few) so surely taxes will be much, much higher than rest of the UK?

Just to clarify I am NOT a fan of Boris but surely he will be long gone by the time Scotland actually became independent after YES vote (probably at least 10 years, just look at the BREXIT timeline).

Please don't flame me, I am just wondering what people think as I genuinely don't get how the benefits outweigh the risks.

@Teach12 I think it is obvious to anyone that it costs exactly the same for Scottish or English people to buy a second home in England. But Scotland is facing the same issues many tourist areas are facing, including parts of Northumberland, Devon and Cornwall. Tourist rural areas tend to be places with mainly low income work, and well off people buying up property as second and holiday homes are pushing locals out.

I think it would be really helpful if independence supporters could answer the many valid questions, and the issues raised very eloquently by @AchatAVendre

@WouldBeGood It might be helpful if you point out these valid questions?

Asked a million times

What “increasing problems” are you pretending Scotland is facing due to its unicameral parliament? Isn’t just that you don’t agree with the legislation rather than it having anything to do with the parliament having one chamber?

i am not aware of any serious constitution lawyers who think that there is an issue with Scottish legislation in particular (whether due to unicameral legislation or not).

note that the Westminster parliament although it does have two chambers one can be overruled and is unelected. I’m not aware of any European country with that type of undemocratic set up.

what European countries are you referring to in respect of teaching constitutional law? This is taught in Scottish schools but as an elective.

im not clear on what issues you think the SNP should address. They are pretty clear they want an independent Scotland to join the EU and ECHR. As others have said there is a good chance they we will be allowed to join and join quickly. But ultimately these are choices for the Scottish people rather than the SNP.

Various questions answered a million times.
Does that mean there are no sensible unanswered questions?

The opposite is obviously true based on a great many election results.

It is amazing how many people declare authoritatively that no one likes or trusts Nicola Sturgeon, who keeps getting elected.

I think @WouldBeGood wants to go to Asda in England and wants everyone to assure her that she will be able to do so forever.

unfortunately this is not something “independence supporters” can help you with. Mystic Meg would be a better bet. To be honest though I would doubt that it would be an issue given that people all over Europe cross borders to go to the supermarket all the time. But no one knows the future for certain.

I suppose it might be a possibility to consider that one day @WouldBeGood could go to a different Asda. But perhaps this is too big a step.

That, @Villagewaspbyke , amply demonstrates the disconnect: the next nearest Asda in Scotland is two hours away

And it’s absolutely ridiculous to dismiss legitimate concerns about a border as ludicrous

Hahaha yes I agree - I love reading this! Is presumably the same people who say Johnson is really popular with his -20 approval rating

But this isn’t about Boris 🙄

I in agree that the response was patronizing and rude.

I don’t think unicameral systems have anything to do with anything. Many EU countries have this as their system. The eu doesn’t work as another House of Parliament either- it has competencies over some very limited areas (usually exclusive competency) with the country parliament either having no competency or having the ability to legislate for the area concerned based on the EU directive only.

Alright, mardy

It was just a little throwaway remark, no need to get all eye-roll-y

The usual whataboutery rather than sensible answers

It wasn't 'whataboutery' because it was affirmative of the original comment I was responding to.

If you are going to be grouchy, at least be accurate in your moaning.

Ooh, grouchy, mardy, pretend Scottish me, with my pesky questions about the fundamentals of independence

what are these legitimate concerns other than going to Asda? Which to be honest isn’t really a serious matter. In the extremely unlikely event it becomes overwhelmingly difficult to cross the border (unlike any European border) I would imagine that they will open a new Asda. Or even a Tesco. You never know your luck.

Imo a lot of this nonsense is based on the worst sort of racism towards Scotland. That it is uniquely useless within Europe. A banana republic as one poster called us earlier.

Actually, as someone who has worked in many different countries and now works in Scotland, Scotland is relatively wealthy and developed country in Europe. We have our problems (who doesn’t) but generally we would be one of the more developed and wealthier countries in the EU.

it’s disappointing that so many continue to react to an independent Scotland with such hateful old racist stereotypes. But that’s life I suppose.

Gosh - are you trying to say I am “pretend Scottish” because I said I was bame and have lived elsewhere? otherwise who are you saying said that about u?

I don’t think you explained why your son was allegedly discriminated against for being English despite you said you had lived in Scotland all your life.

what are these legitimate concerns other than going to Asda? Which to be honest isn’t really a serious matter. In the extremely unlikely event it becomes overwhelmingly difficult to cross the border (unlike any European border) I would imagine that they will open a new Asda. Or even a Tesco. You never know your luck.

Really? that’s the response re potential border issues.

Is it really going to be that straightforward - surely if you want a yes it’s up for more scrutiny than sarcasm

What is the matter with you?

It was just a joke about politics, the way people pretend Sturgeon is unpopular is pretty silly, she is clearly electorally very successful.

@Villagewaspbyke you’re not covering yourself in glory with this

Is going to Asda the fundamentals of Scottish independence now? I like Asda well enough but other supermarkets are available.