To think wealthy people will leave Scotland?

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..if the YES side win a referendum? Surely a lot of successful businesses and people who are wealthy/ comfortable/ have paid into a pension will not want to risk all their assets becoming worthless? Or am I missing something? Higher taxes, unknown currency, economic uncertainty, hard border, national security concerns etc

It would cost BILLIONS to set up new Government bodies (eg DVLA, Passport office, MI5, MI6, Amy Navy, RAF to name a few) so surely taxes will be much, much higher than rest of the UK?

Just to clarify I am NOT a fan of Boris but surely he will be long gone by the time Scotland actually became independent after YES vote (probably at least 10 years, just look at the BREXIT timeline).

Please don't flame me, I am just wondering what people think as I genuinely don't get how the benefits outweigh the risks.

It’s very much the SNP that are spouting the rubbish in the hope that Scots don’t look beneath the spin.

I voted no before. I will vote yes this time. This is in spite of the sheer misinformation spouted by so many people.
The jury is out on whether Scotland benefits or suffers in terms of net tax receipts. The information is not in the public arena. From everything I have read, I think it is a close gap either way. So I do not see it as that important an issue.

Under the current UK government, Scotland will become economically more run down. Brexit has already destroyed Scottish industries like seed potatoes, and the government did not care one bit. There is no real interest or upcoming investment from the UK government in Scotland. A decent independent Scottish government could turn things around.

We do have a benefits office. Social security Scotland. We now do all the DLA which is now child disability payment and Adukt disability payment (pip) goes live nationally in august..... Scottish child payment is coming and we already have had other benefits that the government has rolled out over the past three years

Send Boris Johnson to Scotland to talk to us. It will be a clear yes vote.

@Villagewaspbyke so let’s look at the treatment of Joanna Cherry by Nicola Sturgeon.
I may not agree with Cherry’s politics but she is an impressive, high calibre politician.
A functioning democracy needs politicians like her.
She hasn’t toed Sturgeon’s party line and she’s been marginalised and unsupported.

Always amazing on these threads on Mumsnet about Scottish Independence. Vitriolic postings pop up by people about how anti English the Scots are ...............and what follows is a lot of anti Scottish postings by the same poster.
Seriously!

As for the Scottish/English border - well I think the further away the UK government is from organising that the better! Look what a deceit they pulled over the Irish/NI border - and now they are about to break the law they agreed to in the first place! (Nothing new for Johnson's Tories to break the law though is there?)

The Tories make a handy scapegoat for pushing independence. They won’t alway be in power and who will you blame then?
@antelopevalley what you say is true about having a decent Scottish government . If we did have that, and if they’d made a good go of handling things so far, I could have been persuaded. Sadly we have an opaque government who has played fast and loose with our cash.
What they should have done is acted with integrity and due diligence and put the Tories to shame that way. Sadly however it’s become a race to the bottom.

@StoneofDestiny that's just inane.

How will I get you Asda in Carlisle?

The idea that people would vote for independencejust because they don't like Boris Johnson is weird to me. He won't even be around for the next election. It's completely unreasoned thinking.

Anti SNP is NOT anti Scottish! We care very deeply about our country, we just believe it should be part of a union. We have a right to hold these views because, for the time being , we live in a democracy.

To, not you

Yes

So to summarize:

no one has actually said anything but you have imagined all sorts of things that you have no idea are or are not happening.

Once you saw some nonsense someone posted on Facebook. This woman apparently had an uncle in the SNP so you attribute what Rosh r said to the snp.

does that cover it?

There is nothing anti Scottish about scrutinising the track record of the Scottish Govt and the SNP.
Being disappointed in NS govt inability to deliver on, for example, ferries, the census, Edinburgh Children’s Hospital would suggest that people care very much about Scotland and what it should be achieving.

I live in Scotland. Would never vote for independence as I can see no benefits whatsoever.

I also would never vote SNP. They have a terrible record on power. The education system alone has gone from the best in UK to the worst in 15 years.

Absolutely this. Sorry but things have changed since the last referendum. I think plenty of people will be attracted to the country. I hope for independence.

In fact up North so many rich people buying places (including the Dubai ruler that locked his daughter up) Scottish people are having issued affording them. That's an issue that needs sorting...

Also @WouldBeGood how it’s it you have lived in Scotland all your life yet claim you have seen countless examples of anti English sentiment towards your child? Surely both these things can’t be true? Something smells fishy!

I say that as someone with two little English dds. But I don’t claim to have lived in Scotland all my life.

Luckily for the SNP you are far from typical

After an independence referendum "yes" vote, I estimate it would take up to 4 years to negotiate a full exit from the UK, all the while taking care that none of the arrangements made would exclude Scotland from joining the EU. Unless the SNP, Liberals, Greens, half of Labour and the odd Tory want to show total hypocrisy, this exit deal probably should then undergo its own referendum.

Assuming this also succeeds, Scotland could then apply to join the EU, but there will probably be a requirement for an independent Scotland to show a record of stability and responsibility. Stability and responsibility would be the biggest obstacle of all. The fastest this could be done may well be 4 years.

One of the biggest obstacles then would be Spain using its veto as they see parallels with the Catalans and Basques.

When details of the EU deal are known then a third referendum will almost certainly be needed.

The EU members such as Slovakia, Slovenia and Hungary and the Baltic states took around 11 years from independence to join the EU, Bulgaria and Romania a little longer. I see no reason why Scotland should be any different.

Who said that there was? But this thread is about independence no? Not the record of the current Scottish government.

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I know plenty of educated middle class Scots who support indie. That isn't it. By the way, I'm pro indie and critical about some SNP policies. No guarantee they will be the leading party after independence.

So you estimate longer than the EU expert I quoted who said 2-3 years?

It’s symptomatic of the key issue though isn’t it. No matter who Scotland votes for, in the Union they will be outvoted every time. Sometimes, even oftentimes by those who have no interest in the people of Scotland. Like Boris. Vastly unpopular in Scotland but it makes no difference. He’s the leader regardless.

@Villagewaspbyke I’m Scottish born and bred, I’m in my 50s. My ex is English. DS sounds English.

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